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re: What prevents Vanderbilt from competing in Football using Stanford's model?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:06 am to Grovewater
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:06 am to Grovewater
The proximity to Knoxville makes them make stupid decisions.
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:10 am to KiwiHead
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I know SEC homers love to think of their conference as the end all and be all, but Vandy would suck even in the PAC 12 whereas Sanford would give most of the SEC teams at the top a run for their money.
In the past few years, possibly. Over time Stanford would be Vandy or worse.
Vandy probably would fare better in the PAC than the SEC with probably +2 wins per year. Conversely, Stanford on the SEC would be -2 wins per year. If you think of Stanford being roughly equal to say Notre Dame, then it is easy to see what an SEC attrition schedule would do to either.
Stanford would probably get clobbered by the top 2 in the East and the top 4 in the west. If Stanford wanted to they could have scheduled SEC more historically. I mean I can see Stanford ducking Alabama or Georgia but there is no reason they should be ducking a home and home series with Vanderbilt.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:17 am to reVealed
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It was four of these special waiver players the participated the worst incident in VU football history.
Looking now in hindsight, it's impossible to overstate the negative impact that allowing Brandon Vandenburg on campus and on the team had on the university and the football program.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:25 am to Cheese Grits
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I mean I can see Stanford ducking Alabama or Georgia but there is no reason they should be ducking a home and home series with Vanderbilt.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Vanderbilt and Stanford will play a four-game football series starting in 2021, athletic officials from both schools jointly announced Wednesday.
The Commodores will host the first game in the home-and-home series with Stanford on Sept. 18, 2021. Other dates in the series are Sept. 7, 2024 at Stanford, Sept. 6, 2025 at Vanderbilt, and Sept. 11, 2027 at Stanford. -- March 25, 2015
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:34 am to Grovewater
The SEC East historically only has 2 Nationally relevant teams who can CONSISTENTLY compete. Florida and Georgia.
How old are you? Don't know much HISTORY, do you?
How old are you? Don't know much HISTORY, do you?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:37 am to TNTiger1984
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I agree with your post but competing in the SEC versus the PAC is a killer for Vanderbilt.
For comparison, Stanford vs current and former SEC all time
Alabama, played twice, tied in 1927 and lost in 1935
Arkansas, played once when Hogs were in SWC in 1970, no with Hogs in SEC
Auburn, never played
Florida, never played
Georgia, played 1 bowl game in 1978
Georgia Tech, played twice since Tech left SEC, never while Tech was SEC
Kentucky, never played
LSU, played 1 bowl game in 1977
Mississippi State, never played
Missouri, played once in Columbia when Mizzou was in the Big 8
Ole Miss, never played
South Carolina, never played
Tennessee, never played
Texas A&M, played 1 game in CA in 1992. No games as SEc team
Tulane, played 4 home and home in SEC and 4 home and home after Tulane left SEC
Vanderbilt, never played
I would be hard pressed to find any current P5 football school who has played fewer SEC games in their entire football history.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:39 am to Grovewater
Weather and country music
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:39 am to Cheese Grits
You seem hard pressed about lots of things, including the equally unsupported conclusion that I could make that the SEC is avoiding playing Stanford.
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:43 am to oman
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Vanderbilt and Stanford will play a four-game football series starting in 2021, athletic officials from both schools jointly announced Wednesday.
The Commodores will host the first game in the home-and-home series with Stanford on Sept. 18, 2021. Other dates in the series are Sept. 7, 2024 at Stanford, Sept. 6, 2025 at Vanderbilt, and Sept. 11, 2027 at Stanford. -- March 25, 2015
First games (if they actually happen) are 100+ years after the fact and sound more like Texas scheduling Ole Miss when Ole Miss was down so they could say they beat a SEC team. At least Ole Miss took a game as they got better by the time the games were actually played. I hope the same happens to Vanderbilt by the time the Cardinal comes to town. Will laugh my arse off if one of the best in the PAC struggles or gets beat by one of the worst in the SEC.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:48 am to oman
I am certain Vanderbilt playing Stanford in a home and home has been discussed at Vanderbilt at least since the 1980's.
Can you confirm the same from the Stanford end?
Can you confirm the same from the Stanford end?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:11 am to oman
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You seem hard pressed about lots of things, including the equally unsupported conclusion that I could make that the SEC is avoiding playing Stanford.
He provided some pretty damning evidence of you ask me. Looks like Stanford doesn't care much for teams in the Southeast.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:17 am to oman
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You seem hard pressed about lots of things, including the equally unsupported conclusion that I could make that the SEC is avoiding playing Stanford.
Have to say, most would think it is one scenario or the other, and given that UCLA has played the SEC 35 times, USC 33 times, and even Cal has played the SEC 21 times, Stanford being dead last on the list at only 7 games vs. the SEC, there is probably some merit to the thought that the avoidance is Stanford's. No rational fan of college football is going to believe that the SEC would avoid playing Stanford, only to play USC and UCLA 5x as many games.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:20 am to Grovewater
Stanford also has a larger endowment than the A&M and Texas systems combined.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:22 am to Grovewater
Why Stanford's model? Why not Tim Corbin's?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:29 am to reVealed
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Four head coaches in just over four years is bad enough. Compound that with lost recruiting classes and 'waivered' players being booted and you have a mess. One way to ease the pain is smart scheduling which is another area VU can't seem to figure out. Why in the hell are we playing teams out of conference that are competing for their conference crowns? This year alone we had our creampuff FCS school, two conference winners, and a 7-5 team on the road. Our three FBS opponents were a combined 30-8 and we played 2/3 on the road. Scheduling could have been better though had we not backed out of all the sure win games vs N'Western, Ohio St, and Clemson that were all scheduled.
1. There's nothing wrong in playing good football teams and losing. At least those games are relevant and worth attending.
2. You got unlucky with Houston. Tulane beat Houston last season, and if it was a normal year for UH you would have been competitive.
3. Vanderbilt should give Tulane a call. It's a good destination/recruiting trip, and Tulane isn't going to 38-0 you. Our semi-recent P5 wins have been nailbiters against Rutgers and Miss State (several years ago). VU has a talent advantage over Tulane - and if your coach has any sort of skill he should find a way to win.
If I'm VU, I'd keep the following schools on speed-dial:
Tulane, Rice, Tulsa, Wake Forest, Army, Navy(good but not a blowout risk), BC, Syracuse.
Schedule teams that have to deal with similar internal struggles, and you'll have close/fun non-conference games.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 11:31 am
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:33 am to troyt37
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Have to say, most would think it is one scenario or the other, and given that UCLA has played the SEC 35 times, USC 33 times, and even Cal has played the SEC 21 times, Stanford being dead last on the list at only 7 games vs. the SEC, there is probably some merit to the thought that the avoidance is Stanford's. No rational fan of college football is going to believe that the SEC would avoid playing Stanford, only to play USC and UCLA 5x as many games.
Digging deeper and just looking at games played in the SEC footprint, by current SEC teams, and eliminating bowl games, this is what you get.
Alabama, never played
Arkansas, never played
Auburn, never played
Florida, never played
Georgia, never played
Kentucky, never played
LSU, never played
Mississippi State, never played
Missouri, never played
Ole Miss, never played
South Carolina, never played
Tennessee, never played
Texas A&M, never played
Vanderbilt, never played
Thats right, ZERO games played by Stanford in the SEC in over 100 years. Seems pretty positive Stanford is adverse to playing in SEC stadiums.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:36 am to Cheese Grits
When was old Piss ever up, chief? Not too often in the past forty years.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:39 am to Taurus 357
Why would Ole Miss have to be up? Being down is why many scheduled Ole Miss in the past.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:45 am to Cheese Grits
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Texas scheduling Ole Miss when Ole Miss was down so they could say they beat a SEC team. At le
Sound familiar Grits? You typed it. As shitty as Texas has been, they do get credit for a home and home with a P5 OOC team being Mississippi
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:51 am to Cheese Grits
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Seems pretty positive Stanford is adverse to playing in SEC stadiums.
I'm pretty sure Stanford's played the Notre Dame game annually since the late 80's. Before that, they played a few series against Michigan and Penn State in the 70's and Ohio State in the early 80's. You can't argue against that.
Given the new Playoff committee and their current Pac 12 slate and Notre Dame game, why would they schedule another SEC program? That Northwestern loss cost them a shot at the Playoffs. They have zero incentive to play a SEC home and home.
That would be like Florida scheduling another major game to go along with their SEC schedule and annual Florida State game.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 11:53 am
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