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re: We Are Missing The Big Offseason Story Thanks to LSU: Georgia is a Dumpster Fire

Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:23 am to
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:23 am to
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I'm out of my depth here, but my somewhat informed guess is that it's related to the relative boom in UGA's academic reputation over the last 15 years or so. I think there is probably a segment of the university that doesn't want to jeopardize that growth by taking on the role of whatever-it-takes football power.


Crownknowsbest, that honestly sounds like they are tone deaf then. Don't they know that the academic reputation of the SEC offsets any minor gains in the rankings? Maybe not if you are right.

If I was Georgia and I wanted to up my academic reputation, I would be hammering the SEC side of things instead of ignoring it. I would push to expand to 16 with two additional AAU members. I would take all those AAU votes and get me into the club. Once I was in the club I would push to get other SEC programs in to raise the entire status of the SEC. Failing that I would push for SEC regulation internally that emphasize academics and minimizes processing. Seems like UF and GA could make a powerful team for that issue.

I don't know, maybe I am completely off base and yall tried that 10 years ago and got stonewalled or something. But without that sort of knowledge it looks like an ostrich situation to me.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:24 am to
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I have read plenty of Georgia threads complaining about the Administration and powers that be at Georgia at odds with the Athletic future.


Because until the Pruitt raise and McGarity's announcement last week that the IPF/Sanford Stadium renovations are on the way and the announcement of hiring an NFL OC (who by all accounts was going to be retained at St.Louis, which means we're probably spending a fair amount there, too), that's how it had been at UGA for years. You rival fans are catching UGA at a weird time in how it does things; we're actually spending money and it's kind of bizarre. I'm not sure if it's a mirage and a pleasant lapse in judgement or if y'all should start getting a little worried that the sleeping giant is waking.
Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
5828 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:25 am to
Any OC in the conference would choose HC at CSU over any OC job in the conference.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:25 am to
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UGA admins have found what they feel is an optimal return on investment that has made our university one of the most profitable in the nation. They spend just enough to win at a high level but not the highest level; just enough to keep the money flowing in.


So bean counters?

I get someone in the B1G beancounting, but in the SEC there is no glory in profits. Or is this some kind of weird competition with Georgia Tech for who can seem the least like neanderthals and the most like Yankees?
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:26 am to
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that honestly sounds like they are tone deaf then


They are, or have been for the better part of 20 years.

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Don't they know that the academic reputation of the SEC offsets any minor gains in the rankings?

Certainly doesn't seem that way.

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If I was Georgia and I wanted to up my academic reputation, I would be hammering the SEC side of things instead of ignoring it. I would push to expand to 16 with two additional AAU members. I would take all those AAU votes and get me into the club. Once I was in the club I would push to get other SEC programs in to raise the entire status of the SEC. Failing that I would push for SEC regulation internally that emphasize academics and minimizes processing. Seems like UF and GA could make a powerful team for that issue.

UGA has been gunning for AAU membership for a while now and it looks like we're pretty close to getting it with the addition of our Engineering and Medical programs.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:28 am to
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I get someone in the B1G beancounting, but in the SEC there is no glory in profits.


We know. The problem is that the higher-ups don't seem to have recognized that until recently.

Posted by tSpread
everywhere
Member since Jan 2015
160 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:29 am to
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Auburnphan



I think he's the ghost of Jan the man...
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15662 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:30 am to
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We know. The problem is that the higher-ups don't seem to have recognized that until recently.



Georgia is one of the most profitable football teams in the nation. I think it surpises people when we spend like a bottom/mid tier SEC team when we make more than alot of schools that outspend us. When teams are paying their Dline coach 300-400k more than Mike Bobo it kinda says something. I get that we refuse to get into an arms race with the big spenders but it's not because we don't have the finances to compete.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:34 am to
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Georgia stopped being your typical SEC school in the late 90's when Michael Adams became president.


Incredibly interesting post. Proof the system works. Thank you.

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It seems that we're only now shaking it and trying to run a University with great academics AND athletics.


I hope so.

I will be honest, I have long thought it was Richt holding you back. I figured he was a coach there for so long it created a bubble that kept your program from being exposed to the harsh reality of modern football (to which LSU this week was Exhibit A). I also assumed that once he left yall would hire some nice guy to fit your antiquated bubble-created values, and then after that nice guy was eaten alive without Mark's momentum some superboosters would take over and hire a Nick Saban-esc SOB to remake the program in a more modern fashion.

Given what you've said though, it seems that I was looking at a symptom and thought it was a cause. Richt being there so long didn't create a bubble, he has been there so long because he lived in a bubble someone else made.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate your insight. I learned more about your program today than I know about half the Big 12 schools.

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I'm not sure if it's a mirage and a pleasant lapse in judgement or if y'all should start getting a little worried that the sleeping giant is waking.


I would love to see that giant wake!!!
Posted by tSpread
everywhere
Member since Jan 2015
160 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:34 am to
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I get someone in the B1G beancounting, but in the SEC there is no glory in profits.


We know. The problem is that the higher-ups don't seem to have recognized that until recently.


When you say "higher ups" would this be referencing the BOR as a whole or the ignorant, South Georgia, no shoe wearing, dirt clods who the gubner appoints?
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:35 am to
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UGA has been gunning for AAU membership for a while now and it looks like we're pretty close to getting it with the addition of our Engineering and Medical programs.



Well you have our vote!
Posted by Hobnail
ATL
Member since Oct 2014
3197 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:42 am to
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tSpread


oh auburnphan, its great to see in yet another UGA thread.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:44 am to
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When you say "higher ups" would this be referencing the BOR as a whole or the ignorant, South Georgia, no shoe wearing, dirt clods who the gubner appoints?


Higher ups at the University. BOR is made up mostly of UGA alumni or supporters. They pretty much sign off on whatever the University wants to do.
Posted by tSpread
everywhere
Member since Jan 2015
160 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:48 am to
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Higher ups at the University. BOR is made up mostly of UGA alumni or supporters.


Really? You must mean like the chairman of the broad of regents for the university system of Georgia.

elaborate please....
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:48 am to
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I get that we refuse to get into an arms race with the big spenders


Which kinda makes no sense.

I mean, I never get why B1G teams do it. Freaking Wisconsin makes more than all but the B1G thanks to their network, they could pay their coaches enough money to keep them taking lateral (at best) moves. Why go through the pain of transition if money gives you stability?

Well, that is not true. I know why they do it. They do it because the local political environment won't tolerate coaches making so much more than educators even if they can afford it. Something tells me that is not the same environment a state like Georgia has.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:52 am to
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Thoughts?

Pick the team in decline:

Team A:
12-2, 7-1
8-5, 5-3
10-3, 6-2

Team B:
11-2, 6-2
9-4, 4-4
8-5, 3-5




stupid aggies
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:53 am to
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I will be honest, I have long thought it was Richt holding you back. I figured he was a coach there for so long it created a bubble that kept your program from being exposed to the harsh reality of modern football (to which LSU this week was Exhibit A). I also assumed that once he left yall would hire some nice guy to fit your antiquated bubble-created values, and then after that nice guy was eaten alive without Mark's momentum some superboosters would take over and hire a Nick Saban-esc SOB to remake the program in a more modern fashion.

Given what you've said though, it seems that I was looking at a symptom and thought it was a cause. Richt being there so long didn't create a bubble, he has been there so long because he lived in a bubble someone else made.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate your insight. I learned more about your program today than I know about half the Big 12 schools.


In the interest of fairness, I think part of the blame can be put on Richt at least during the first half of his tenure. Remember, he was a first time HC when he came to UGA in 2001 from a Bodwen-led FSU so he didn't really have a frame of reference for how to handle UGA politics or how to get what the program needed. Couple that with the fact that he got to watch UGA's greatest coach in Vince Dooley get unceremoniously pushed out the door by the University President, and I think it probably put him a little on the defensive with regards to a give and take relationship with the AD. I think he has grown a lot as a coach and the dam finally broke when he hired Pruitt. For the first time, he had an outside voice from Bama and FSU unafraid to go places Richt is just too gentlemanly to go. Pruitt has called our AD out to reporters over money issues. Richt never would have done that. I think the two of them together form a dynamic duo for the program and the benefits are beginning to show in spades, what with a top 5 recruiting class, facility improvements, an expanded support staff, and needed new hires/replacements. There's a reason that UGA is dropping some serious $$$ on Pruitt for a multi-year contract. He's not going to be a coordinator much longer. The real fun is going to be when Richt retires and it'll be a Pruitt vs. Bobo battle to see who replaces him.
Posted by boddagetta
Moulton
Member since Mar 2011
9999 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:59 am to
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who owns Auburn's arse to the tune of 9-5


Glad Auburn is your Super Bowl.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:59 am to
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Really? You must mean like the chairman of the broad of regents for the university system of Georgia.


LINK

In particular, Don Leebern, Jr. is considered to be UGA's "big booster" (akin to Lowder at Auburn and Bryant, Jr. at Bama).

It's also worth noting not only all the UGA grads, but also the Sonny Perdue appointees. Sonny was a walk-on football player at UGA and Kappa Sig brother. In fact, a ton of politicians and Govenors from GA are UGA grads. When we tell Tech fans "We run this state," we actually mean it.
Posted by TailgateTiger
Bullard, Texas
Member since Oct 2008
2183 posts
Posted on 1/9/15 at 12:03 pm to
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We are a dumpster fire with a top 5 incoming recruiting class but you guys can't get anyone to come be your DC, going to have a bad incoming class, and lost to bert 17-0 (a team we shellacked).




I can tell those are fake laughs....
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