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re: UGA vs USCe on paper
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:55 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:55 pm to DawgsLife
I did a bit. Basically, one of the reasons I put the QB at a draw is having to up against more a pocket/pro passer actually plays to UGA's strengths in the front 7. I also said that both WR/TE combos are likely superior to the other's DBs. And while the USC OL is likely superior they have to go up against UGA's biggest strength.
To be honest, I have no idea what to think of Mason. He did bring UGA back on the road against GaTech, but then he looked utterly lost in the bowl game, although it was actually Lynch that dropped a good perfectly good pass that ended UGA's final rally.It was also a miserable cold, rainy day in a mid-tier bowl game so likely most were just waiting to get home.
To be honest, I have no idea what to think of Mason. He did bring UGA back on the road against GaTech, but then he looked utterly lost in the bowl game, although it was actually Lynch that dropped a good perfectly good pass that ended UGA's final rally.It was also a miserable cold, rainy day in a mid-tier bowl game so likely most were just waiting to get home.
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:57 pm to gatorhata9
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Has he ever played a game start to finish? I know he's played spot duty and traded series but I wasn't sure if he's ever started a game.
At Clemson in 2012 (23-41, 310 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT). Maybe some others... he had 32 attempts against UCF but didn't start the game.
EDIT: Pretty sure he played the entire game against ECU, too, one year. 21-37, 330 yds, 3 TDs, 0 INTs.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:58 pm to BAP2001
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Probably the most important advantage in this pretty even match up goes to Carolina...the game is at Williams-Brice.
Honestly this sums up this entire match up. In fact, the fact that this will be Mason's first true road start in a loud environment (bowl doesn't count) makes it an even bigger advantage for USC.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:07 pm to Gamecox20
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Mason's first true road start
Georgia Tech
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:09 pm to Gamecox20
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Honestly this sums up this entire match up. In fact, the fact that this will be Mason's first true road start in a loud environment (bowl doesn't count) makes it an even bigger advantage for USC.
He started and led us back from a 20 point deficit at Georgia Tech.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:21 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Georgia Tech
Your own fans have been known to buy GT season tickets just for this game. UGA playing at Bobby Dodd us technically an away game, but it's hardly a "true road start." W-B is the toughest place Mason will have ever started by game time. You can't really argue against that.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:36 pm to RoyalAir
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it's hardly a "true road start."
Yes it is. It's a high pressure in-state rivalry game that was started under less than ideal circumstances with Murray having just gone down. UGA fans buying season tickets is a symptom of the intensity of the rivalry and the apathy of Tech fans to their other games. Tech fans are far from apathetic about the UGA game. Trivializing that experience is dumb.
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W-B is the toughest place Mason will have ever started by game time. You can't really argue against that.
It is, but Mason is also way more prepared for that environment than he would have been last season.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 6:12 pm to tween the hedges
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I think a lot of us are overblowing the whole Columbia thing.
Of course you would.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 6:22 pm to RoyalAir
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UGA playing at Bobby Dodd us technically an away game, but it's hardly a "true road start."
Yes it is. It's not Death Valley at 8 pm but it's a true road start.
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W-B is the toughest place Mason will have ever started by game time. You can't really argue against that.
No one here is arguing that. We're just saying that playing a road game at your in-state rival is a "true road start". I can't believe this is even a discussion to be honest.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:18 pm to SoGaFan
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UGA lost only Garrison Smith (starter) and Jonathan Taylor (3rd team) from last year:
Sterling Bailey
Mike Thornton
James Deloach
Ray Drew
Toby Johnson
Josh Dawson
Chris Mayes
all return with ALOT of game experience.
Did any of these guys have more than 3 Sacks last year? I know Ray Drew was the #2 DE out of HS the same year that Clowney came out, but I haven't seen or heard of him besides the past couple of preseasons.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:23 pm to SoGaFan
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And while the USC OL is likely superior they have to go up against UGA's biggest strength.
So while your so-called greatest strength goes up again our well-known greatest strength ... you still have yours as winning the match-up and being superior.
We shall see I suppose.
FWIW, this will probably be SCAR's most talented, deepest, overall DLine ... so I guess your OLine is rated higher in that match-up as well huh?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:24 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Not having past stats doesn't mean Mason isn't on Thompson's level. It means he isn't as good as Aaron Murray. You have no real way of knowing if Thompson is better than Mason.
I'm saying it's a safer bet to say Thompson is better, b/c he has already proven he can win. Like I said, he's beaten 3 ranked teams, all on the road.
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You have no way of knowing this. You're basically saying USCe's unknown is better than UGA's unknown, which is as homer as it gets. Anyone on either side who claims a definitive advantage in this department is being ridiculous.
SC plays 5 DB's (2 Corners, 2 S's and a Spur.) We had 3 S's get a lot of playing time and even started various games (Elder, Marcus and B. Williams.) We moved B Williams to CB. That means our starting lineup will have 3-4 (depending on how you look at it) returning starters out of the 5 in the backfield.) We were a Top20 Pass Defense last year. So yes, I can say we're going to be better than UGA with our DB's, we were last year and most of those guys are back this year.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:32 pm to SoGaFan
If our run defense is as weak against y'all as it was last year it won't matter if the game is at the Brice. Shite we couldn't even stop the white dude from running through us.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:35 pm to CockInYourEar
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We had 3 S's get a lot of playing time and even started various games (Elder, Marcus and B. Williams.) We moved B Williams to CB. That means our starting lineup will have 3-4 (depending on how you look at it) returning starters out of the 5 in the backfield.
No, it's 3 any way you look at it. None of those three (Elder, Marcus, Williams) can count twice
It's not like those guys are world beaters either. You lost both of your corners. None of your returners have played there before. It's a huge hole, no matter how you look at it.
UGA returns 4 DBs who have started multiple games (Swann, Moore, Dawson, Mauger) , but we aren't claiming this crap because it's admittedly an unknown.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:35 pm to scrooster
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FWIW, this will probably be SCAR's most talented, deepest, overall DLine
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:42 pm to CockInYourEar
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Did any of these guys have more than 3 Sacks last year?
UGA Sack Totals, per ESPN
Floyd - 7
Smith - 6 (graduated)
Drew - 6
Jenkins - 5
Wilson - 4
Thornton - 1
Moore - 1
Mayes - 1
Bailey - 1
Herrera - 1
Taylor - 1 (dismissed)
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:44 pm to Crowknowsbest
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No, it's 3 any way you look at it. None of those three (Elder, Marcus, Williams) can count twice It's not like those guys are world beaters either.
You lost both of your corners. None of your returners have played there before. It's a huge hole, not matter how you look at it.
UGA returns 4 DBs who have started multiple games (Swann, Moore, Dawson, Mauger) , but we aren't claiming this crap because it's admittedly an unknown.
OK, so you have 1 returning starter, (Swann) and we have 3 (B Williams, Marcus and Golightly.) Our 3 guys were part of a Pass Defense ranked 12th nationally and your 1 guy was part of a Pass Defense that ranked 60th nationally. We both had guys on the 2 deep that played.
So like I said, SC has the advantage at DB and it's not even close.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/695/p2
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:44 pm to Crowknowsbest
Lotta Georgia boys, lotta SC boys that were recruited by the other big boys in the league. Lotta highly recruited talented on our roster along the DLine.
I dunno crow, I guess we'll see.
34 Mason Harris DE RS JR 6-3/235 Fort Oglethorpe, GA (Ridgeland)
55 David Johnson DE RS FR 6-1/275 Lithonia, GA (Lithonia)
18 Cedrick Cooper DE RS JR 6-2/225 Lithonia, GA (Lithonia)
44 Gerald Dixon DE RS SO 6-2/274 Rock Hill, SC (South Pointe)
5 Darius English DE RS SO 6-6/241 Powder Springs, GA (McEachern)
91 Blake McClain DE FR 6-3/265 Jacksonville, FL (Sandalwood)
51 Devin Washington DE RS FR 6-3/221 Orlando, FL (Jones)
95 Michael Washington DE RS JR 6-3/237 Allendale, SC (S.C. State)
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92 Gerald Dixon Jr. DT RS JR 6-3/323 Rock Hill, SC (Northwestern)
52 Phillip Dukes DT RS JR 6-3/323 Manning, SC (Manning)
93 Deon Green DT RS SO 6-4/289 Windermere, FL (Olympia)
94 Kelsey Griffin DT SO 6-2/310 Buford, GA (Mill Creek)
99 Abu Lamin DT RS SO 6-4/302 Fayetteville, NC (Fort Scott CC)
90 Taylor Stallworth DT FR 6-2/293 Mobile, AL (Murphy)
97 J.T. Surratt DT RS SR 6-2/310 Winston-Salem, NC (Parkland)
I dunno crow, I guess we'll see.
34 Mason Harris DE RS JR 6-3/235 Fort Oglethorpe, GA (Ridgeland)
55 David Johnson DE RS FR 6-1/275 Lithonia, GA (Lithonia)
18 Cedrick Cooper DE RS JR 6-2/225 Lithonia, GA (Lithonia)
44 Gerald Dixon DE RS SO 6-2/274 Rock Hill, SC (South Pointe)
5 Darius English DE RS SO 6-6/241 Powder Springs, GA (McEachern)
91 Blake McClain DE FR 6-3/265 Jacksonville, FL (Sandalwood)
51 Devin Washington DE RS FR 6-3/221 Orlando, FL (Jones)
95 Michael Washington DE RS JR 6-3/237 Allendale, SC (S.C. State)
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92 Gerald Dixon Jr. DT RS JR 6-3/323 Rock Hill, SC (Northwestern)
52 Phillip Dukes DT RS JR 6-3/323 Manning, SC (Manning)
93 Deon Green DT RS SO 6-4/289 Windermere, FL (Olympia)
94 Kelsey Griffin DT SO 6-2/310 Buford, GA (Mill Creek)
99 Abu Lamin DT RS SO 6-4/302 Fayetteville, NC (Fort Scott CC)
90 Taylor Stallworth DT FR 6-2/293 Mobile, AL (Murphy)
97 J.T. Surratt DT RS SR 6-2/310 Winston-Salem, NC (Parkland)
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:47 pm to CockInYourEar
Maybe I'm just jaded by y'all's pass defense being dogshit against UGA, but returning Williams, Marcus, and Golightly just doesn't seem to hold much weight.
You still don't have any corners. At least UGA has what little experience is left distributed throughout the secondary.
You still don't have any corners. At least UGA has what little experience is left distributed throughout the secondary.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 7:47 pm to Crowknowsbest
So that's a yes?
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