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re: UGA vs USCe on paper

Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by tybeebomb
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:51 pm to
Tybee Island > Sullivan's Island (though I dig Poe's Tavern ... a little)
Posted by cocky365
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:56 pm to
because he is usc fan, just like uga fans will see it differently.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:59 pm to
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because he is usc fan, just like uga fans will see it differently.

I just think it's funny when fans of one school call out fans of another for being homers, only to come back with just as homer of a response
Posted by dallasga6
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:00 pm to
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Probably the most important advantage in this pretty even match up goes to Carolina...the game is at Williams-Brice.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This.....
Posted by WheelRoute
Washington, D.C.
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:03 pm to
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Why do you say this?



We are expecting our secondary to be one of our weaknesses this year (at least initially). Not a lot of experience, and we're starting, or at least relying heavily on, a true freshman for playing time.

Despite that, y'alls DB concerns appear to trump ours considering all the turnover y'all have had w/ transfers, reassignments, etc.
Posted by tween the hedges
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:04 pm to
I think a lot of us are overblowing the whole Columbia thing.

DId they whoop our asses up and down the field last time? Sure. Did the atmosphere not help our cause? Sure. But we never really seemed to have problems playing there in the past. Games other than 2012 have pretty much been close games no matter the location.
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:13 pm to
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Thompson > Mason

Our OL > your OL, by a lot

Your margins of superiority at RB and LB are not as great as you believe

Our secondary > your secondary, which is crazy given that we may start a TrFr at corner

Not sure what we're getting out of our DL this year, we'll see



I have no problem believing that Thompson could be an ADV over Mason, but to be honest with you, the problem that UGA D has had with South Carolina in the recent past was they had to account for Shaw in the open field- that alone slowed and sometime negated the pass rush, which UGA was depending on to cover the poor secondary last year. While I don't think that Thompson is a statue by any means, he isn't Shaw either.

I know the USCe Ol is considered a big strength for them. but they are also going up against UGA's biggest strength. Also, just hearing from people that have been around the practices, they are more excited about the play and athleticism of the UGA OL than they have been in a while. Will it be among the league's best? I don't think so, but I think they will be much better than they have in the past. Also, not sure if this will affect much, but apparently, Mason is much more comfortable in the shotgun/hurry up mode so you will likely see more of that.

As far as secondary goes, I am just going to hold my tongue until I see some of these kids in a game. All I can say is that it appears that UGA is gave up some size for more speed and better ball skills, so we will just have to see how that works out. However, am I right in thinking that USCe is at least replacing 3 of the 4 starters? How much experience do the new starters have going in?

I will stand by my homerish statement on the defensive front 7. I really think they are going to be special this year. However, please tell me more about USC's.

I also left out Special Teams: Morgan was spectacular last year, and this year, I am happy he will not be suspended the first two games. Punter is still a competition between Barber and Erickson. Based on the scrimmage, it sounds like UGA has two very good, new options at returns in McKenzie and Michel.
However, UGA had a ridiculous amount of disastrous punt issues last fall, but they were also breaking in a new long snapper, and that is also one of the reasons that Barber lost the job late in the year, so we will all just have to wait to see how the new coaching works out. I don't know anything about USCs ST, so you will have to enlighten me.

This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 4:14 pm
Posted by WheelRoute
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:13 pm to
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Tybee Island > Sullivan's Island


This is the most homer statement in the entire thread.
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:15 pm to
No shite. Hell, Tybee isn't the best island near Savannah. That is all Ossabaw, at least from a natural beauty standpoint.
Posted by WheelRoute
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:20 pm to
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However, am I right in thinking that USCe is at least replacing 3 of the 4 starters? How much experience do the new starters have going in?


We are replacing our corners. Our safeties are SR Brison Williams and RS SO Chaz Elder.

There is the possibility Brison Williams slides over to CB and in that case we'd technically be replacing a S as well. However, our depth at S includes a guy who was out last season but before that was an All-SEC freshman and another who is a SR and started quite a few games last year.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:25 pm to
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I know this will likely fall apart into senseless bickering very soon, but I would like to at least TRY to seriously compare the two since I think they essentially have the same strengths and weaknesses and are very difficult to separate because of it, especially an early season match up.



Sure,

SC STAAAAACCKKKKEEDDDD
UGA FUUUUUUUUCCCKKKEEDD

QB - Seriously though, all the UGA fans need to stop pretending Mason is anywhere close to Thompson's level, he's not, it's not close. Thompson has one more games than Mason and Thompson has beaten 3x's as many ranked teams. Thompson has more experience, more snaps and accomplished more. he's better than Mason.

RB - UGA wins this, much more depth.

WR - Who's available to play at UGA? Too many injuries, and unproven QB situation. SC returns 8 of their top 9 WR's, none are injured. SC has a QB who will throw more this season than last. Advantage SC

OL - Advantage SC, it's not close. 4 of 5 returning starters, 9 of 10 from last year's 2Deep.

TE - Advantage SC, Lynch was awesome, he's gone. Rome doesn't have the yardage or TD's that Busta or Adams have.

K/Punter - Advantage UGA. Our punting is terrible. Our PK is alright, but UGA's is/was better.

DL - Draw, Both teams are replacing starters from last season, not a lot of proven depth behind them. If you count Jenkins in this group then it would be advantage UGA, but I'm basing this off the 3-4 they ran last year.

LB - Adv UGA. Really good LB's at UGA, but not that much better than SC's. Most of SC's LB's last year were FR or RS Fr, now they have more game experience and coaching. It will be interesting to see who has more post-season accolades in this group.

DB - Adv SC. even with FR corners. UGA's pass defense last year was terrible and their best playmakers from that squad are gone. SC will move Brison to CB, and Marcus and Elder will play S (they started there at various points last year.) SC will have 1 FR CB, but then the Spur position returns the 2 Deep from last year (Golightly made 2nd Team All SEC last year at Spur.)

Coaching - who knows, you're not going to convince anyone that Richt > Spurrier. Pruitt has a lot to prove. Can he take an awful defense from last year and turn it into a Top 25 Total Defense or better, we'll see?
Posted by WheelRoute
Washington, D.C.
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:27 pm to
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I will stand by my homerish statement on the defensive front 7. I really think they are going to be special this year. However, please tell me more about USC's.


Lots of depth at DE but no one who is a superstar. We may struggle getting pressure. Darius English has a very quick first step but has struggled to maintain his weight. He's at 245 but if he can't set the edge in run support he won't be a full-time starter. The academic casualties from the 2k14 recruiting class also hit this position group hardest, so there's no freshman we can throw in there to see if he can make a difference.

We have a ridiculous amount of talent at the DT position. We can rotate all game long w/ no apparent drop off.
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:39 pm to
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DL - Draw, Both teams are replacing starters from last season, not a lot of proven depth behind them. If you count Jenkins in this group then it would be advantage UGA, but I'm basing this off the 3-4 they ran last year.


UGA lost only Garrison Smith (starter) and Jonathan Taylor (3rd team) from last year:
Sterling Bailey
Mike Thornton
James Deloach
Ray Drew
Toby Johnson
Josh Dawson
Chris Mayes
all return with ALOT of game experience.


John Atkins will be a RSFr and Lamont Gaillard will be a true freshman and likely RS, although I have heard a lot of good things about him this camp as well.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:40 pm to
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I think you have to give the nod to Dylan Thompson because he has won big time games on the road against top teams.


Not trying to argue...I honestly don't know. What top team did Dylan Thompson beat on the road? I don't know what games he played in, and honestly, I am too lazy to look it up while we have SouCar posters who are more familiar to tell us.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:41 pm to
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looks like an easy win for UGA since they are equal or have an advantage at every position except for one.


FWIW, I am picking SouCar to win.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:41 pm to
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QB - Seriously though, all the UGA fans need to stop pretending Mason is anywhere close to Thompson's level, he's not, it's not close. Thompson has one more games than Mason and Thompson has beaten 3x's as many ranked teams. Thompson has more experience, more snaps and accomplished more. he's better than Mason.

Not having past stats doesn't mean Mason isn't on Thompson's level. It means he isn't as good as Aaron Murray. You have no real way of knowing if Thompson is better than Mason.
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DB - Adv SC. even with FR corners. UGA's pass defense last year was terrible and their best playmakers from that squad are gone. SC will move Brison to CB, and Marcus and Elder will play S (they started there at various points last year.) SC will have 1 FR CB, but then the Spur position returns the 2 Deep from last year (Golightly made 2nd Team All SEC last year at Spur.)

You have no way of knowing this. You're basically saying USCe's unknown is better than UGA's unknown, which is as homer as it gets. Anyone on either side who claims a definitive advantage in this department is being ridiculous.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted by WheelRoute
Washington, D.C.
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:45 pm to
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What top team did Dylan Thompson beat on the road?


Clemson, for one. He saved the day in the bowl game against Michigan in 2013 and beat UCF on the road last year (though his stats weren't great), too.

EDIT: He had spot duty in most games last year. Got some significant PT against ARK, I think. Vandy, too.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 4:47 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:48 pm to
The biggest problem I see is you compare UGA QB with SC QB, UGA OL with SC OL....but they don't go against each other. Hate to put you (or someone else) to a lot of trouble....but for me, it would be more interesting to see who y'all think will win between the UGA OL and SC DL, SC QB/WR vs UGA DB...etc...might give a bit more accurate idea of who has the advantage.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:50 pm to
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quote:
What top team did Dylan Thompson beat on the road?



Clemson, for one. He saved the day in the bowl game against Michigan in 2013 and beat UCF on the road last year (though his stats weren't great), too.

EDIT: He had spot duty in most games last year. Got some significant PT against ARK, I think. Vandy, too.




Thanks! Like I said, I was just wondering.

I didn't realize he had gotten that much game experience.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:53 pm to
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Clemson, for one. He saved the day in the bowl game against Michigan in 2013 and beat UCF on the road last year (though his stats weren't great), too.

EDIT: He had spot duty in most games last year. Got some significant PT against ARK, I think. Vandy, too.


Has he ever played a game start to finish? I know he's played spot duty and traded series but I wasn't sure if he's ever started a game.
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