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re: The "illegal Pass"
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:24 am to sewaneerebel
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:24 am to sewaneerebel
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Batting the ball on an onsides kick is illegal, and that was clearly done by the 'Bama 'good hands' team. And they got a TD out of it. So, it evened things out. Pop pass= Ole Miss TD; Batting the ball='Bama TD. Take those two away, and Ole Miss still wins the game.
Leave it to an Ole Miss fan to make an LSU fan defend Bama, but here goes:
The onside kick 'touching' may have been illegal....may have been. It is a subjective rule open to interpretation. The officials have to believe the player intentionally batted the ball forward. If they believe his intention was to simply bat the ball up, but it went forward, that is not a penalty.
The pass play in question is not as subjective. The QB is either 100% over the line of scrimmage or he's not (and in the Bama game he was not over the LOS). The problem is that there were several lineman downfield on the play thereby making them ineligible receivers. Ole Miss should have been penalized for this infraction and the play nullified.
Having said all of that, I get it, penalties are sometimes missed. I'm just chiming in because somebody started a thread on it.
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Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:24 am to DannyB
quote:If the lineman isn't blocking 6 yards down the field, then that would allow a linebacker to cover the qb instead of the cb releasing to cover him.
I think college should go to how it is in the NFL. If it has no direct impact on the play then it is not a penalty. They never call holding or anything else in the NFL on the backside of a play.
That lineman being 5 yards downfield had absolutely no impact on that play. The corner came off of his man to tackle the QB. The DB's were not watching the linemen to see how to react to the play, they were doing what DB's always do; their eyes were on the QB.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:25 am to GregAl
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I saw this photo in another thread. Looks over the los to me.
This picture proves my point.
Also, the rule states that if any part of the QB's body is behind the los then it is a legal pass.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:26 am to GregAl
Where is the
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the ball
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:26 am to GregAl
The ball was over the line of scrimmage for sure. ESPN's grey line isn't quite on the line of scrimmage.
His leg wasn't completely over the line though. They got that part of the call correct. Definitely needs to be changed.
His leg wasn't completely over the line though. They got that part of the call correct. Definitely needs to be changed.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:27 am to imjustafatkid
I really think that everything short of tackling and a helmet to the stomach ought to be legal on an onside kick. Batting the ball should definitely be an option. The kicking team rarely recovers as it is.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:29 am to Geauxhomegumps
That rule needs to be changed.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:29 am to KC Tiger
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The officials have to believe the player intentionally batted the ball forward. If they believe his intention was to simply bat the ball up, but it went forward, that is not a penalty.
I think that since the ball went upward when he hit it they would have to assume hitting it up was his intent and the tragectory of the kick caused it to also move forward. I'm not sure how they could have called that one back.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:29 am to Geauxhomegumps
The fact that 3-4 lineman were downfield n both instances and it was not called is the real question
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:30 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:30 am to Geauxhomegumps
The big problem are refs still not enforcing the linemen down field rule. Teams that run a lot of run/pass option plays get away with murder.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:31 am to GregAl
I agree with you. I don't understand why tipping the ball forward isn't allowed. The receiving team has every opportunity to get the ball before the kicking team even gets there.
ETA: The refs still got that call right though.
ETA: The refs still got that call right though.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 8:32 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:33 am to Geauxhomegumps
Yeah, it was linemen downfield. If there is a question as to if the QB is totally across the line, then 9 times out of 10, a lineman is downfield. That's the issue because it is a non-review play, but the QB over the line can be reviewed.
Expect a change in this rule, probably by next season. They will review both and every time it's in question, they'll penalize for the linemen down field.
Needs to be done because refs don't catch it and it needs to be stopped because some teams use this play to their advantage, knowing it can't be reviewed (as to the linemen downfield).
Expect a change in this rule, probably by next season. They will review both and every time it's in question, they'll penalize for the linemen down field.
Needs to be done because refs don't catch it and it needs to be stopped because some teams use this play to their advantage, knowing it can't be reviewed (as to the linemen downfield).
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:34 am to GregAl
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The argument is whether the college rule would make more sense if it were the same as the NFL rule. i.e. where the ball is when it is released.
I dont think that's true.
NFL
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Note: It is a forward pass from beyond the line of scrimmage if the passer’s entire body and the ball are beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is released, whether the passer is airborne or touching the ground.
NCAA
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ARTICLE 2. A forward pass is illegal if: a. It is thrown by a Team A player whose entire body is beyond the neutral zone when he releases the ball.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:34 am to DannyB
He released the ball before the LOS while he was airborne.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:34 am to KTownRebel
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Crying about a penalty that had little to no effect on the play is desperate
How do you know it had no effect on the play? You know for a fact the DB didn't glance over at the lineman, notice he was 6 yards downfield and come up knowing that should mean(based on the rules) that the QB can't throw it? I don't know if it did or didn't, but to say for sure it didn't is just stupid. That play didn't lose the game. 5 turnovers lost the game, but it would have been nice to get that stop and see how it played out from there.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:36 am to Rebelgator
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He released the ball before the LOS while he was airborne.
In your opinion
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:36 am to Aman
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You know for a fact the DB didn't glance over at the lineman, notice he was 6 yards downfield and come up knowing that should mean(based on the rules) that the QB can't throw it?
I'm pretty sure we train our DBs to do this.
There were 2 linemen at least 5 yards down field at the time. Would have been hard for him to miss it.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:38 am to imjustafatkid
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The ball was over the line of scrimmage for sure. ESPN's grey line isn't quite on the line of scrimmage. His leg wasn't completely over the line though. They got that part of the call correct. Definitely needs to be changed.
It will make the call even more difficult and every questionable pass near the LOS will have to be reviewed to see not where the body is, but where the QB releases the ball.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:39 am to Rebelgator
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He released the ball before the LOS while he was airborne.
That's debateable.
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