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re: The "illegal Pass"
Posted on 9/21/15 at 7:59 am to Geauxhomegumps
Posted on 9/21/15 at 7:59 am to Geauxhomegumps
it was a legal pass with ineligible linemen down field
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Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:05 am to Topwater Trout
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it was a legal pass with ineligible linemen down field
Gets it.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:05 am to GnashRebel
Again, as I've stated before, Alabama had plenty of opportunities to win the game even after this penalty was missed.
However, if you take a moment to consider how db's read and react this type of play, you will see that it has a very large impact because the lineman moving downfield is the key that db's are supposed to read to move up in run support and leave the WR open downfield. The penalty has come up a number of times (as a missed call) in recent years. It isn't a judgement call but simply looking at where a player is in relation to the LOS. It seems to be a simple fix by having a dedicated ref looking at that area. I don't know why we would want to avoid fixing a penalty is often missed and easily corrected.
The official would also be able to call facemask's (which really very rarely cause a player to fumble if we are honest with ourselves) as well as help determine if a player intends to bat the ball upwards or forward on an onsides kick return.
However, if you take a moment to consider how db's read and react this type of play, you will see that it has a very large impact because the lineman moving downfield is the key that db's are supposed to read to move up in run support and leave the WR open downfield. The penalty has come up a number of times (as a missed call) in recent years. It isn't a judgement call but simply looking at where a player is in relation to the LOS. It seems to be a simple fix by having a dedicated ref looking at that area. I don't know why we would want to avoid fixing a penalty is often missed and easily corrected.
The official would also be able to call facemask's (which really very rarely cause a player to fumble if we are honest with ourselves) as well as help determine if a player intends to bat the ball upwards or forward on an onsides kick return.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 8:07 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:07 am to Sneaky__Sally
Jesus rebel fans are salty in this thread. Yea there was a blown call last year on the face mask. You still won. Congrats. Yes there were several blown calls this year. You still won. Can't we just have an honest discussion about them without getting so defensive? I don't think anyone in here is claiming the pass is what lost Bama the game. It's just a rule that was supposed to be looked for closer and was missed.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:11 am to sewaneerebel
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Batting the ball on an onsides kick is illegal, and that was clearly done by the 'Bama 'good hands' team. And they got a TD out of it. So, it evened things out. Pop pass= Ole Miss TD; Batting the ball='Bama TD. Take those two away, and Ole Miss still wins the game.
I have no problem at all with this viewpoint.
IMO, what we saw throughout the game was just another example of the same shait-tastic SEC officiating we see every week.
They aren't biased, they're just bad.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:11 am to Monticello
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quote: Crying about a penalty that had little to no effect on the play is desperate Not here to bitch, but WTF? The lineman down the field has everything to do with the play. That is how the corner reads if it is a pass or run play and knows whether to abandon the receiver and go after the QB.
Your corner that was covering Core was looking at Kelly when he left his man. Wipe those tears away you silly bitch.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:13 am to EC Reb
That doesn't even matter. The corner could have been doing the Cupid shuffle but that doesn't change the ineligible receiver downfield
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 8:14 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:14 am to Patton
In today's game, Offense -vs- -Defense is like watching a fight between someone who's the arms are tied behind their backs -vs- some who can use both arms. Than calling it a fair fight......
Should be ball past line of scrimmage.
Shouldn't have linemen past 1 yard on pass plays.
But what should be done and what' done is sometimes skewed by human nature, bias, greed, and things like this. Ratings/money rule the day, and high scoring games is what's selling for most. Plus, not every program can get elite defenders, but they can do this offensive style of play though. Makes for much more parity across the nation. More people interested = Higher ratings. If a few defesive bodies pile up along the way, it's seen has acceptable collateral damage. It's amazing defenses stop offenses at all anymore, to tell you the truth. One of the only ways to combat this, is jump on the offensive "Our offense has got the advantage train" In other words, do these tactics too.
Should be ball past line of scrimmage.
Shouldn't have linemen past 1 yard on pass plays.
But what should be done and what' done is sometimes skewed by human nature, bias, greed, and things like this. Ratings/money rule the day, and high scoring games is what's selling for most. Plus, not every program can get elite defenders, but they can do this offensive style of play though. Makes for much more parity across the nation. More people interested = Higher ratings. If a few defesive bodies pile up along the way, it's seen has acceptable collateral damage. It's amazing defenses stop offenses at all anymore, to tell you the truth. One of the only ways to combat this, is jump on the offensive "Our offense has got the advantage train" In other words, do these tactics too.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:14 am to GnashRebel
You can't review missed penalties unless you want to review all missed penalties. That would be ridiculous. Why should illegal man down field be reviewed any more than holding or pass interference should be reviewed ?
Alabama fans should just shut up and get over it. God knows you have benefitted from enough bad calls by the referees over the years. If you go back and.look at the auburn game all you fricktards complain about, bammer benefitted from the referees missing a block in the back in that very same game
Alabama fans should just shut up and get over it. God knows you have benefitted from enough bad calls by the referees over the years. If you go back and.look at the auburn game all you fricktards complain about, bammer benefitted from the referees missing a block in the back in that very same game
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:14 am to Sneaky__Sally
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People are upset about the lineman/ineligible receiver downfield, not the quarterback. Its over and we had plenty of other opportunities to execute and win the game, but you don't know what you are talking about.
That wasn't illegal either. The analysts in the LSU game explained why. The rule needs changing but it is not illegal in that instance.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:15 am to KTownRebel
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Crying about a penalty that had little to no effect on the play is desperate
i for one don't mind it.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:15 am to Doresrules
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last year I didn't see this many Bama fans crying about the missed facemask call that gave them 7 points
Why would we cry about it? We benefited from it. Many did say it was missed and was BS.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:17 am to LesMiles BFF
I really don't understand how that rule could not be if the ball is released beyond the line of scrimmage would then be a penalty. That just to me would make more sense.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:19 am to Vols&Shaft83
I think college should go to how it is in the NFL. If it has no direct impact on the play then it is not a penalty. They never call holding or anything else in the NFL on the backside of a play.
That lineman being 5 yards downfield had absolutely no impact on that play. The corner came off of his man to tackle the QB. The DB's were not watching the linemen to see how to react to the play, they were doing what DB's always do; their eyes were on the QB.
That lineman being 5 yards downfield had absolutely no impact on that play. The corner came off of his man to tackle the QB. The DB's were not watching the linemen to see how to react to the play, they were doing what DB's always do; their eyes were on the QB.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:20 am to sewaneerebel
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sewaneerebel
Dude, don't be that fan - enjoy your win.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:20 am to KTownRebel
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Crying about a penalty that had little to no effect on the play is desperate
not understanding why the rule is in place and commenting on it is a sign of arrogance and stupidity.
the defense players read keys and when a lineman leaves the line of scrimmage the key is run not pass so the safeties come up
so you ignorantly put it "it had little effect on the play" when in reality it quite possibly allowed it to happen.
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:20 am to SouthOfHere
Can you explain why? I'm just curious because the announcers seemed to think it was illegal during the game on Saturday night
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:22 am to Alleycat9
I saw this photo in another thread. Looks over the los to me. (the ball, not the QB)
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 8:25 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:23 am to sewaneerebel
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batting the ball on an onsides kick is illegal, and that was clearly done by the 'Bama 'good hands' team.
Batting the ball isn't illegal, but intentionally batting it forward is illegal.
However, the tipping of the ball on the onside kick was a reviewable play. It was almost a minute later before Bama snapped the ball and the replay officials didn't blow it dead. I think it's safe to say they couldn't determine if he intended to bat the ball forward or was trying to one hand snag it or bat it somewhere else (only intentionally batting it forward is illegal). It didn't look intentional to me, and it obviously didn't look that way to the officials on the field or in the booth, but I'm sure others will disagree.
This post was edited on 9/21/15 at 8:24 am
Posted on 9/21/15 at 8:24 am to Geauxhomegumps
Has anyone complained about that call, alter? All I've seen is people pointing out that the lineman was blocking 6 yards down field. I can see why an LSU fan would be crying, though. 
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