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Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:34 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:34 am to cardboardboxer
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"Clemson vs USC"
Terrible comparison to aTm and UT
Clemson just now hit 680 wins all time. That's after 32 wins the last 3 seasons. Clemson had a run of luck in 1981 and that's been it.
South Carolina, for the majority of their history has been a sub .500 program.
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:34 am to TxTiger82
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:34 am to TxTiger82
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Texas was one of CFB's blue bloods. Clemson, not really.
Lol. Both have exactly one modern national title. Better than A&M, but no where near a true blue blood like a Bama or LSU.
Texas's claim to fame is a marketing win- everyone assumes that program is better than what it is. Minnesota has more national titles.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:40 am to Hawgeye
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Terrible comparison to aTm and UT
not really. Clemson was always considered the premier program in the state and the Cocks were seen as second tier.
Yes, Texas and A&M is a bigger scope in terms of wins and program sizes but the scenario is the same.
No, we've not passed them. Yes we are the "hot" team now. One thing that has really swung in our favor is the political power of Aggies within the state. I think for Texas, that's a piece worth pointing out. We had little stroke before, and it seems like we are really in the drivers seat in that respect now.
Take the collective bait, I did not.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:43 am to Hawgeye
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Texas will always run that state. I hate Texas. Can't stand them, but I'm also not stupid.
You're trying to compare a program that just barely hits 700 wins all time against a program that is about to hit 900 all time wins. aTm will never pass Texas in national relevance or spotlight.
Beat me to it.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:52 am to Jobu93
In the minds of some, A&M will never surpass Texas because of the all time records. Texas has that sewn up and congrats to them. The future OTOH is a completely different story.
The financial advantage Texas had over A&M is gone. The size advantage is gone. The resources advantage is gone. A&M is now in a far superior conference with far more high profile games that get publicity. A&M has managed to do all of this without a Conf Title since '98 or a Natty since '39.
If A&M struggles and Texas succeeds then of course Texas can retake the momentum and lead. However, the opposite is the more likely scenario as of now. If A&M were to win the SEC and a Natty at some point in the next few years watch out. If you think A&M has come a long way and raised a lot of money now just watch out if that happens. The sleeping giant is awake but it is just getting started.
Texas is a rich and storied program as well and is very capable of pulling itself up, regardless of what A&M does. That's fine. I could also see a scenario develop that is similar to when Florida/Miami/FSU were all basically Top 10 teams for a good stretch. Maybe even moreso considering the resources of A&M and Texas.
I will say this though. As long as Texas continues to live in a daydream that they will succeed simply because "We're Texas" that dream will continue to turn into a nightmare.
The financial advantage Texas had over A&M is gone. The size advantage is gone. The resources advantage is gone. A&M is now in a far superior conference with far more high profile games that get publicity. A&M has managed to do all of this without a Conf Title since '98 or a Natty since '39.
If A&M struggles and Texas succeeds then of course Texas can retake the momentum and lead. However, the opposite is the more likely scenario as of now. If A&M were to win the SEC and a Natty at some point in the next few years watch out. If you think A&M has come a long way and raised a lot of money now just watch out if that happens. The sleeping giant is awake but it is just getting started.
Texas is a rich and storied program as well and is very capable of pulling itself up, regardless of what A&M does. That's fine. I could also see a scenario develop that is similar to when Florida/Miami/FSU were all basically Top 10 teams for a good stretch. Maybe even moreso considering the resources of A&M and Texas.
I will say this though. As long as Texas continues to live in a daydream that they will succeed simply because "We're Texas" that dream will continue to turn into a nightmare.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:57 am to TbirdSpur2010
Outside of OU, Texas should dominate that conference with the right coach which would mean more playoff trips than A&M will ever dream of.
Look at what A&M has to go through just to win the SEC west.
Look at what A&M has to go through just to win the SEC west.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:59 am to nicholastiger
that's the old line of thinking. Briles has got some momentum. He will be a factor.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:00 am to nicholastiger
your part about the SEC West is valid.
I think these playoffs are going to force the SEC's hand into 9 conf games and I think the Big XII will be penalized for not having a CCG.
I think these playoffs are going to force the SEC's hand into 9 conf games and I think the Big XII will be penalized for not having a CCG.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:02 am to Jobu93
OSU is sitting pretty as well. The top of the Big 12 is not a cakewalk, it's just extremely top heavy.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:07 am to aggressor
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A&M is now in a far superior conference with far more high profile games that get publicity.
I see this opinion from many A&M fans and I wonder if being in the SEC is really the best path for yall to reach true national elite status. Sure it help recruiting and fills the coffers with money, but it also creates a MUCH tougher schedule and at the end of the day people look at your W/L record to decide if you are elite.
I think you could make a really good argument that if you would have stayed in the BigXII you could have easily gone undefeated in one of the past two season and been in the Championship game.
Being in a really tough conference is not a requirement for being elite (USC, FSU, Ohio State, etc.)
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:15 am to cardboardboxer
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Both have exactly one modern national title.
1981 is not modern. Hell I wasn't even born, and I'm 32.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:15 am to SECdragonmaster
Texas will always be #1 in the state, two years doesn't suddenly undo 100+ years of history and perception.
As for the Clemson debate, they are still #1 in the state. They've been going to BCS bowls while Carolina has been going to the PapaJohns.com Bowl.
As for the Clemson debate, they are still #1 in the state. They've been going to BCS bowls while Carolina has been going to the PapaJohns.com Bowl.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:17 am to Haughton99
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I think you could make a really good argument that if you would have stayed in the BigXII you could have easily gone undefeated in one of the past two season and been in the Championship game.
Truth hurts.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:19 am to SECdragonmaster
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:21 am to Haughton99
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I think you could make a really good argument that if you would have stayed in the BigXII you could have easily gone undefeated in one of the past two season and been in the Championship game.
It's easy to say this, and you aren't necessarily wrong since it's all hypothetical, but I don't know that we fire Sherman if we stay in the Big 12. And even if we do, we played in 2012 with something to prove since nobody gave us a chance to do shite in the SEC.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:22 am to Hawgeye
Oh hey, it's the daily let's act like we're not threatened by A&M by blowing Texas thread. I thought this was the SEC Rant, but I must be lost. All these damn aggys always bringing up Texas...oh wait. These threads are never started by A&M fans? You don't say...
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:22 am to Haughton99
If you want to be elite you have to beat elite teams. The only way to beat elite teams is with elite talent. The best path to elite talent for A&M is to be able to offer the ability to play in the SEC and stay in Texas.
Could A&M have won the Big 12 the last 2 years? Who knows. Theoretically it is possible. For that matter though you could make the exact same argument for LSU. Is LSU going to the Big 12 anytime soon?
As for the "Texas will always run that State" logic I just chuckle. How is that defined? Recruiting? No. Winning? No. Political power? No. Publicity? No. Casual fan base? No. Texas certainly can lead in any or all of those categories under the right circumstances but right now A&M has an edge in all of them.
Texas also has a much tougher path to the Playoff than folks realize. They are trying to get in a 4 team playoff while playing in the 5th best league. They lose a game and they are basically out. They could win the conference and still be out. They don't win the conference and they are definitely out. The thing about the Big 12 is it is filled with lots of good teams but not really any great teams. That is a tough road to run the table with because no one has a big talent edge and the level of coaching in the conference is very good.
On the flip side for A&M if they win the SEC they are in the Playoff. There are many scenarios they could come in 2nd and be in the playoff. There almost certainly could lose 1 game and be in the playoff.
Could A&M have won the Big 12 the last 2 years? Who knows. Theoretically it is possible. For that matter though you could make the exact same argument for LSU. Is LSU going to the Big 12 anytime soon?
As for the "Texas will always run that State" logic I just chuckle. How is that defined? Recruiting? No. Winning? No. Political power? No. Publicity? No. Casual fan base? No. Texas certainly can lead in any or all of those categories under the right circumstances but right now A&M has an edge in all of them.
Texas also has a much tougher path to the Playoff than folks realize. They are trying to get in a 4 team playoff while playing in the 5th best league. They lose a game and they are basically out. They could win the conference and still be out. They don't win the conference and they are definitely out. The thing about the Big 12 is it is filled with lots of good teams but not really any great teams. That is a tough road to run the table with because no one has a big talent edge and the level of coaching in the conference is very good.
On the flip side for A&M if they win the SEC they are in the Playoff. There are many scenarios they could come in 2nd and be in the playoff. There almost certainly could lose 1 game and be in the playoff.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:23 am to aggressor
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In the minds of some, A&M will never surpass Texas because of the all time records. Texas has that sewn up and congrats to them. The future OTOH is a completely different story.
The financial advantage Texas had over A&M is gone. The size advantage is gone. The resources advantage is gone. A&M is now in a far superior conference with far more high profile games that get publicity. A&M has managed to do all of this without a Conf Title since '98 or a Natty since '39.
If A&M struggles and Texas succeeds then of course Texas can retake the momentum and lead. However, the opposite is the more likely scenario as of now. If A&M were to win the SEC and a Natty at some point in the next few years watch out. If you think A&M has come a long way and raised a lot of money now just watch out if that happens. The sleeping giant is awake but it is just getting started.
Texas is a rich and storied program as well and is very capable of pulling itself up, regardless of what A&M does. That's fine. I could also see a scenario develop that is similar to when Florida/Miami/FSU were all basically Top 10 teams for a good stretch. Maybe even moreso considering the resources of A&M and Texas.
I will say this though. As long as Texas continues to live in a daydream that they will succeed simply because "We're Texas" that dream will continue to turn into a nightmare.
My thoughts exactly.
A&M has too many "new" advantages to stay behind long.
All time wins and championships before people were born means nothing. Money and power and visibility is the key to ongoing success.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:28 am to Projectpat
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Oh hey, it's the daily let's act like we're not threatened by A&M by blowing Texas thread. I thought this was the SEC Rant, but I must be lost. All these damn aggys always bringing up Texas...oh wait. These threads are never started by A&M fans? You don't say...
I am not trolling or bashing as I said when I started this thread.
I visited A&M this year and had a great time before and after the game.
We Auburn fans identify with the land grant University having to fight against a politically corrupt state named institution.
I think you guys have a great chance to win the war in the long run. (SEC cred is strong)
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