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Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:50 pm to Sao
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And since 2008, ASU is 1-0 vs. A&M.
TCU would have ripped Aggy a new one this past decade. 2001 was a long long time ago.
There's a huge difference between 1 win and 24 wins in a row.
There's also a huge difference between the MWC and a BCS conference.
There are a lot of BCS conference teams that would have been just as successful record wise as TCU over the past 5-6 years with that schedule. At least Boise was scheduling 1 big game a year.
Last year TCU's two losses came to two teams that A&M demolished.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:54 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
...top 5 finishes and BCS bowls while playing in the Big Least and Mountain Weak. Everything is relative. Somebody will get weaker when TCU and WVU enter the Big 12. Either one of the new teams will or some remaining teams will get weaker, like UT, BayLOL, Kansas State, and Tech.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:56 pm to KaiserSoze99
Mark my words... TCU will get taken to the woodshed 3-4 times next year in the Big 12, and probably go 7-5 or 6-6.
WVU will be slightly better at 8-4 to 9-3.
TCU could win with the small speedy guys on defense in the MWC and sneak up on you in a bowl game, but week in and week out in a BCS conference, their shite is going to get pushed in.
WVU will be slightly better at 8-4 to 9-3.
TCU could win with the small speedy guys on defense in the MWC and sneak up on you in a bowl game, but week in and week out in a BCS conference, their shite is going to get pushed in.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 12:57 pm to KaiserSoze99
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top 5 finishes and BCS bowls while playing in the Big Least and Mountain Weak. Everything is relative.
Bingo. The same reason most SEC fans think A&M and Mizzou are going to struggle for the next few seasons.
ETA: You guys can't use this logic to tell us newbies we're going to struggle in the SEC, but then turn around and say TCU & WVU are better programs than Mizzou/A&M because of their high winning %s in far shittier conferences than the Big 12.
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Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:01 pm to GerryDiNardo
Exactly. All it takes is a little bit of deeper looking at the historical success of the programs and where they fit in the SEC.
Years finishing ranked in major polls
WV 19
TCU 17
Mizzou 21
Aggies 24
WV had the ease of the Big East and TCU had the ease of the MWC to even catch up the last decade.
Years finishing ranked in major polls
WV 19
TCU 17
Mizzou 21
Aggies 24
WV had the ease of the Big East and TCU had the ease of the MWC to even catch up the last decade.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:01 pm to Ball Gravy
TCU will have more success in the Big 12 than Texas A&M will have in the SEC as long as Gary Patterson is their head coach. Due to scholarship limitations, college football has become all about coaching and TCU has one of the best ones in the game today.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:04 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Patterson isn't good enough to get TCU to 9 or more wins in the Big 12 consistently... Why? Jimmy and Joes.
Xs and Os only take you so far. If you can't recruit, you can't win consistently. TCU struggles like a mother fricker in recruiting.
Xs and Os only take you so far. If you can't recruit, you can't win consistently. TCU struggles like a mother fricker in recruiting.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:04 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Due to scholarship limitations, college football has become all about coaching and TCU has one of the best ones in the game today.
Big time college football is arguably as much about recruiting as it is about coaching. TCU is about to find that out.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:05 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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TCU will have more success in the Big 12 than Texas A&M will have in the SEC as long as Gary Patterson is their head coach. Due to scholarship limitations, college football has become all about coaching and TCU has one of the best ones in the game today.
This I'm willing to agree with, though we'll have to see what Sumlin can do with the program. But when Patterson is gone, TCU will go back to nothing unless they land another Patterson-type coach by some miracle.
TCU is going to be competing against Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Houston and Baylor every year for in-state recruits, though. They will generally probably only beat Houston, (maybe Baylor) for those recruits, that is not going to sustain their recent success in a significantly stronger conference than the MWC.
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Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:06 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
If the Big 12 is truly neck and neck with the SEC in terms of football strength, how is it possible that the Big East and MWC teams that they are adding next year have, according to most Big 12ers, a legitimate chance to win the conference?
And by the logic of recent success in a crap league equating to these teams being "better" than A&M and Mizzou, I guess we also have to concede that they are better adds than a team like Notre Dame, who hasn't done jack in several years (kind of like A&M). Strange that ND was at the top of the Big 12's wish list, but hey, they got two better football programs than Notre Dame as a backup, right Deloss?
And by the logic of recent success in a crap league equating to these teams being "better" than A&M and Mizzou, I guess we also have to concede that they are better adds than a team like Notre Dame, who hasn't done jack in several years (kind of like A&M). Strange that ND was at the top of the Big 12's wish list, but hey, they got two better football programs than Notre Dame as a backup, right Deloss?
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:07 pm to Big Kat
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He's wrong. But it wasn't a shot at Mizzou and A&M personally IMO
Tha Frick were you reading?
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:07 pm to GerryDiNardo
Just did a quick run through of TCU head to heads versus A&M and Texas.
Out of 15 kids they recruited against A&M and Texas, they were 0-14-1 (one went to Florida State)
I won't even get into the kids they lost to Baylor or Tech.
Hell, Ed Pope was committed to TCU forever and a moon, and A&M came right in after he blew up his senior season and plucked him out of their grasp with 2 weeks to go in the recruiting season.
Out of 15 kids they recruited against A&M and Texas, they were 0-14-1 (one went to Florida State)
I won't even get into the kids they lost to Baylor or Tech.
Hell, Ed Pope was committed to TCU forever and a moon, and A&M came right in after he blew up his senior season and plucked him out of their grasp with 2 weeks to go in the recruiting season.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:09 pm to BreakawayZou83
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Bingo. The same reason most SEC fans think A&M and Mizzou are going to struggle for the next few seasons.
Yeah, have you noticed how people talk out of both sides of their arse (referring to Big12 fans and ESPN). According to them, the SEC will dominate A&M and Missouri, but, conveniently, top to bottom (according to the butthurt) the Big 12 is better than the SEC.
Same thing here. If the SEC is vastly superior (which it is) and A&M/Missouri will struggle, then if WVU and TCU struggle, the Big Least/Mountain Weak suck and the bullshite about BCS/Top 5 is bullshite.
But, if they talk out of the other side of their asses and continue to follow the party line about Big 12>SEC top to bottom, A&M/Mizzou should do just fine in the SEC. It further follows that if WVU and TCU do well in the Big 12, then it follows that Big 12 = Mt. Weak/B Least.
There is so much spin by so many prominent Big 12 personalities (like Bob Stoops), you have to believe that this move by A&M and Miz was EXACTLY the right one, and will seriously hurt the remaining Bevo Jock Straps.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:10 pm to KaiserSoze99
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There is so much spin by so many prominent Big 12 personalities (like Bob Stoops), you have to believe that this move by A&M and Miz was EXACTLY the right one, and will seriously hurt the remaining Bevo Jock Straps.
So glad we got out.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:11 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
Texas is a recruiting gold mine, and A&M moving to the SEC will help them in the recruiting game like never before. Mizzou has already seen immediate success - see DGB. No way to tell what A&M's coaching situation will look like in the future, but if they can recruit on an SEC level, they have the potential to be pretty competitive
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:12 pm to BreakawayZou83
bitches ain't shite but hoes and tricks, Bob Stoops can get on his knees and suck my dick.
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:15 pm to Ball Gravy
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bitches ain't shite but hoes and tricks
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:16 pm to Alahunter
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Years finishing ranked in major polls
WV 19
TCU 17
Mizzou 21
Aggies 24
Go Missouri - didn't realize they could pull out that trump card. But it makes sense - back in the Don Faurot and Dan Devine era they had some success
Posted on 3/8/12 at 1:19 pm to BreakawayZou83
Also it's ironic how people are criticizing West Virginia for dominating a weak conference when Texas A&M did the same thing in the late '80s and '90s when the SWC was in rapid decline and the Big 12 South was down. At least West Virginia has held their own against out of conference competition beating teams like UGA and Oklahoma in major bowl games unlike Texas A&M who have always struggled mightily against OOC teams.
This post was edited on 3/8/12 at 1:21 pm
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