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Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:36 am to CNB
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:36 am to CNB
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There is nothing good that will come from denying service to ANYONE for their life choices, no matter what they are. The fact that you can't see that is further testament to how backwards Mississippi is.
So if Jim Bob from the local KKK chapter walks into a restaurant and asks them to provide catering and service for a big rally coming up, you wouldn't support the owner declining to do so based on personal convictions?
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:36 am to lsufball19
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it may not be stated in the law, but that's absolutely the objective
Maybe if that is what you want to see. My parents who are hugely in favor of this bill (I don't see the need for it right now) are scared out of their minds that their religious leaders and religious rights are going to be trampled. Like priest being sued or worse for refusing to marry a gay couple. This was a proactive move by that sector of the population to stop a problem before it starts. Does it look bad. Yes. Was the law needed? No. But was it an attempt to stop gays from being gay or marrying in MS? I don't see it that way. I just see it as the religious sector doing what they can to keep their rights when it comes to their beliefs and way of life.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:43 am to anc
Money is green and it's worth the same no matter who it comes from. On the hand, if a business don't want to sell because of religious beliefs, that's fine because that's their business and can do whatever they want or should do whatever they want. For a person to sue because a bakery won't bake a cake for their gay wedding that stupid. There other bakery that don't give a shite. But all in all , it's about feelings and getting offended.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:45 am to joshua2571
I welcome all grammar police. There has to be a mistake somewhere.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:48 am to joshua2571
To add onto that, is it wrong when a baker refuses service when someone wants a penis cake? It is along the same line. I see both sides of the issue, but I dont see why a place would refuse service to anyone that is paying money.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 10:49 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:48 am to HottyToddy7
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My parents who are hugely in favor of this bill (I don't see the need for it right now) are scared out of their minds that their religious leaders and religious rights are going to be trampled. Like priest being sued or worse for refusing to marry a gay couple.
It would be unconstitutional for the government to force a religious leader to do something that goes against their religious values. I hear this argument all the time, and it is without merit.
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I just see it as the religious sector doing what they can to keep their rights when it comes to their beliefs and way of life.
Well then the law should be limited to religious organizations, not everyone. People have every right to their religious beliefs, but enacting discriminatory laws does nothing more than to prevent others with differing beliefs from being treated equally.
So people in Mississippi don't like gay marriage and don't want their "rights" infringed upon, so they just enact legislation to allow business owners to outwardly discriminate against a group of people. For instance, how does a doctor jeopardize his religious beliefs by treating a gay patient? And I say this as a Christian myself, how are a business owner's beliefs jeopardized by providing service to a sinner? Do they also refuse service to adulterers, gluttons, and the greedy and prideful?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:50 am to joshua2571
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Money is green and it's worth the same no matter who it comes from. On the hand, if a business don't want to sell because of religious beliefs, that's fine because that's their business and can do whatever they want or should do whatever they want. For a person to sue because a bakery won't bake a cake for their gay wedding that stupid. There other bakery that don't give a shite. But all in all , it's about feelings and getting offended.
so you would be ok with these signs being put back in the window of businesses?
I mean it's their business, they should be able to provide service to whomever they choose right?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:53 am to lsufball19
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:55 am to lsufball19
Yea, if they want. If I want to put " I support deer hunters" sign on my door then so be it.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:55 am to lsufball19
It really goes down to property rights, not religious freedom. If you believe that people have property rights, then, if you're consistent, you believe they can do what they want with their property- including trading it with other people. So based on that, business owners should be allowed to trade with whom they want and deny service to anyone at anytime for any reason.
That's not to say it's morally ok for people to discriminate, but it's also not morally ok to call people stupid or whatever and there's no law against that.
If you like the law, at least be honest and just say you want to be able to discriminate, and if you don't like the law, be honest and say you don't believe in property rights.
That's not to say it's morally ok for people to discriminate, but it's also not morally ok to call people stupid or whatever and there's no law against that.
If you like the law, at least be honest and just say you want to be able to discriminate, and if you don't like the law, be honest and say you don't believe in property rights.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:57 am to AllbyMyRelf
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If you like the law, at least be honest and just say you want to be able to discriminate, and if you don't like the law, be honest and say you don't believe in property rights.
slow down strawman
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:58 am to lsufball19
Show me the straw man.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 10:59 am to AllbyMyRelf
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It really goes down to property rights, not religious freedom. If you believe that people have property rights, then, if you're consistent, you believe they can do what they want with their property- including trading it with other people. So based on that, business owners should be allowed to trade with whom they want and deny service to anyone at anytime for any reason.
well except for those pesky federal laws that prevent business owners from refusing service to federally protected classes of people
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:00 am to AllbyMyRelf
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Show me the straw man.
I quoted it. seriously, just because it's a new bill that makes MS look bad, it doesn't require you to defend it.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 11:01 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:01 am to lsufball19
Yeah, that's an erosion of property rights.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:02 am to AllbyMyRelf
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Yeah, that's an erosion of property rights.
except it's not. you may want to read up on these laws you're referring to
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:03 am to lsufball19
That's not a strawman… you either believe in property rights or you don't. You can't be logically consistent and say, "I believe sometimes"
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:03 am to lsufball19
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well except for those pesky federal laws that prevent business owners from refusing service to federally protected classes of people
Then how is the safe place that college kids want any different. It seems the entire country is regressing on movements over the past few decades.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:04 am to AllbyMyRelf
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You can't be logically consistent and say, "I believe sometimes
But you can discriminate sometimes??
Posted on 4/28/16 at 11:05 am to CNB
Yeah. People do it, obviously. Doesn't make it morally ok, which is what I said.
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