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re: Spinoff Thread : Pros and Cons of your SEC school starting Men's Soccer in NCAA
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:40 pm to Mizzeaux
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:40 pm to Mizzeaux
I get why you are saying it, just observing that losing Big 5 status seems like slow death. If this is the probable outcome then why let it linger?
I watched several folks go through the long death spiral of lung cancer. One confided to me they wished they had taken themselves out much earlier if they had known the hell of the last 6 months. The goal was not to crap on Mizzou but a real frank discussion if college sports are changing at Mizzou.
When even Stanford cuts long time sports programs it is both a serious and reasonable discussion point LINK
I watched several folks go through the long death spiral of lung cancer. One confided to me they wished they had taken themselves out much earlier if they had known the hell of the last 6 months. The goal was not to crap on Mizzou but a real frank discussion if college sports are changing at Mizzou.
When even Stanford cuts long time sports programs it is both a serious and reasonable discussion point LINK
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:41 pm to Mizzeaux
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Title IX
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Why...if S. Carolina and Kentucky already have teams? What women's sports do they play...(or mens sports do they not play)...that the rest of the SEC doesn't have (or does have, on the men's side)?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:42 pm to reedus23
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SLU has 10 national championships in soccer.
None since 1974 though. Mizzou would rake in talent with STL, KC, Springfield, and Columbia all producing quality players. We already have one of the best club teams around.
I can honestly say I'd like to see Mizzou drop baseball for soccer and I mean it. I played soccer though so I'm biased
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:43 pm to Mizzeaux
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I get that, but in the meantime we're adding non revenue women's sports for a non revenue men's sport in a generally unpopular national sport for what?
As much as I'd like to see men's soccer, I also get it's not feasible. Don't be surprised if soccer surpasses hockey in the future. It will never surpass baseball, football and basketball in the states, but look at the crowds some of these teams are drawing these days.
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Not to mention we've got to keep another field green in the brutal midwestern autumns and winters? Pass again.
It's not a problem. Kid plays on some pretty phenomenal fields in STL and I know KC has some phenomenal fields.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:46 pm to Cheese Grits
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I get why you are saying it, just observing that losing Big 5 status seems like slow death. If this is the probable outcome then why let it linger?
Because what do you trade it for?
We'll ride the wrestling thing as long as possible. If it dies a slow death, that's fine. It's not like Mizzou wrestling is fighting for team championships annually, it's just a good, strong program that does well.
Trading that in on the come for some future SEC soccer thing where we're playing matches on Walton Field in the middle of October or November seems dumb.
You've got to understand that.
It's not like Mizzou has a ton of great athletic programs, you stick with what's doing well when the only other option is to start something new and hope it becomes something.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:48 pm to BamaGradinTn
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(or mens sports do they not play)
Kentucky competes in 9 of 9 SEC men's sports
South Carolina competes in 8 of 9 SEC men's sports (no cross country)
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What women's sports do they play
Kentucky competes in 11 of 12 SEC women's sports (no equestrian)
South Carolina competes in 11 of 12 SEC women's sports (no gymnastics)
Since only Georgia and Auburn play 12 women's sports, the other 12 teams have room to pick up a sport or 2.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:59 pm to KCM0Tiger
No, not since 1974 but Mizzou, starting a new program, would still be light years behind SLU in soccer. And I played baseball and I'm at a point with the baseball program that I don't give a shite if they scrapped it for soccer.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:59 pm to Cheese Grits
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Since only Georgia and Auburn play 12 women's sports, the other 12 teams have room to pick up a sport or 2.
Unless, of course, the schools have sports that participate in non SEC-sanctioned sports.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 12:00 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:03 am to Mizzeaux
Personally, I could give a shite about track & field, cross country, golf, swimming and diving. I'd rather have soccer than any one of those sports. And if they're not going to get serious about the baseball program, add it to the list.
ETA-Who the hell goes and watches any of those "sports" anyways? At least soccer draws some semblance of a crowd for games.
ETA-Who the hell goes and watches any of those "sports" anyways? At least soccer draws some semblance of a crowd for games.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 12:05 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:03 am to reedus23
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No, not since 1974 but Mizzou, starting a new program, would still be light years behind SLU in soccer.
Agreed. My friend and lifelong teammate is actually going to be a senior for SLU this season...probably their best player. Last I heard he's probably going to get on with Sporting KC after he gets his degree (at his parents' request....he could probably play pro now).
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I'm at a point with the baseball program that I don't give a shite if they scrapped it for soccer
Same. It doesn't appear that the university gives a shite about baseball so I won't either. Just scrap it if you aren't going to build a competitive program.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:05 am to Mizzeaux
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It's not like Mizzou has a ton of great athletic programs, you stick with what's doing well when the only other option is to start something new and hope it becomes something.
And here is the key issue. I will admit I do not know what the correct path is but I do know Vanderbilt does not have gymnastics (which I wish they did) but they do have bowling where they have not only won a NC but are in the Final Eight enough to warrant they are here to stay (Runner Up last season and Final Four this season). What I am heading to is how crazy the move to start a bowling team must have been at the time, but looking back it has been the right move. LSU had at least 1 NCAA boxing championship but the Tigers no longer box today.
Vanderbilt does not have a softball team but does have a lacrosse team. If Vanderbilt is full of smart folks this choice seems like a long term look into the future of sports and planning the direction today to win a strategic point in the future. Stop looking at this as jimmy rustling and see it for what it actually is... A discussion of where things will be 20 years from now so SEC is ahead of the curve and not behind it.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:09 am to KCM0Tiger
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Agreed. My friend and lifelong teammate is actually going to be a senior for SLU this season...probably their best player. Last I heard he's probably going to get on with Sporting KC after he gets his degree (at his parents' request....he could probably play pro now).
That's awesome. My cousin played for them back in the 80's. Unfortunately, didn't have an outdoor league back then, so he played for some time in the indoor league with the Ambush. More of a second "job".
SLU draws crowds to it's games. More than Mizzou baseball can say so why the hell not. At least the novelty of it will draw crowds to start. Grab the in state talent and win and I think Mizzou could compete in short order.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:11 am to Mizzeaux
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Unless, of course, the schools have sports that participate in non SEC-sanctioned sports.
On the Men's side
Soccer = South Carolina and Kentucky
Wrestling = Missouri
Rifle = Kentucky (coed)
On the Women's side
Rowing = Alabama and Tennessee
Lacrosse = Florida and Vanderbilt
Rifle = Ole Miss (women only) / Kentucky (coed)
Bowling = Vanderbilt
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:11 am to Cheese Grits
My jimmies never get rustled until you bring up dumb shite to support an unrelated claim.
I don't care if Wrestling will die in the future, and it appears to be on that route. I want the best possible kids performing for Mizzou, and the best way to do that is to get them into a strong program.
Right now, wrestling is a strong program, and I want that to continue. I want the wrestling program to continue to pump out strong, well developed, good character Tigers, no matter what.
I'm not going to trade that in for, once again, an "on the come" soccer league in the SEC. There's no chance I'd ever support that.
It's just is what it is. Vanderbilt is a bunch of pretty kids that like Lacrosse, Mizzou is a bunch of Midwestern kids that like wrestling. We've got a good program, and it's worth keeping.
Like I said, kill baseball (which I know is a huge sacrilege in the SEC, but where we probably won't ever actually compete on a regular basis) and I'll look at soccer.
Unfortunately, that's not the world in which we live. Mizzou is expected to have a baseball team, so we will. It is what it is.
Hell, even if Wrestling died, it wouldn't support a soccer team. Something else would have to go or another non revenue women's team would have the be created. It just doesn't work.
I don't care if Wrestling will die in the future, and it appears to be on that route. I want the best possible kids performing for Mizzou, and the best way to do that is to get them into a strong program.
Right now, wrestling is a strong program, and I want that to continue. I want the wrestling program to continue to pump out strong, well developed, good character Tigers, no matter what.
I'm not going to trade that in for, once again, an "on the come" soccer league in the SEC. There's no chance I'd ever support that.
It's just is what it is. Vanderbilt is a bunch of pretty kids that like Lacrosse, Mizzou is a bunch of Midwestern kids that like wrestling. We've got a good program, and it's worth keeping.
Like I said, kill baseball (which I know is a huge sacrilege in the SEC, but where we probably won't ever actually compete on a regular basis) and I'll look at soccer.
Unfortunately, that's not the world in which we live. Mizzou is expected to have a baseball team, so we will. It is what it is.
Hell, even if Wrestling died, it wouldn't support a soccer team. Something else would have to go or another non revenue women's team would have the be created. It just doesn't work.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:14 am to Cheese Grits
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On the Men's side
Soccer = South Carolina and Kentucky
Wrestling = Missouri
Rifle = Kentucky (coed)
On the Women's side
Rowing = Alabama and Tennessee
Lacrosse = Florida and Vanderbilt
Rifle = Ole Miss (women only) / Kentucky (coed)
Bowling = Vanderbilt
So basically what that says is that there are twice as many women's unsanctioned sports at men's unsanctioned sports.
And we're talking about adding another men's unsanctioned sport (at this point.)
So, what has to go to make it happen?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:15 am to Mizzeaux
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I don't care if Wrestling will die in the future, and it appears to be on that route. I want the best possible kids performing for Mizzou, and the best way to do that is to get them into a strong program.
Wreslting ain't dying at Mizzou. It's as strong as it's ever been. Hell, we had a true freshman win a national championship this year. Much talent returning and coming in. Mizzou will be strong for the foreseeable future. Will they take out a PSU or whoever? Dunno. But they've already surpassed some of the other traditional powerhouses.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:16 am to reedus23
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Wreslting ain't dying at Mizzou. It's as strong as it's ever been. Hell, we had a true freshman win a national championship this year. Much talent returning and coming in. Mizzou will be strong for the foreseeable future. Will they take out a PSU or whoever? Dunno. But they've already surpassed some of the other traditional powerhouses.
I meant more as a sport in general. The whole olympic thing, you know.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:16 am to Mizzeaux
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So, what has to go to make it happen?
T&F, Cross Country, Golf, Swimming and Diving. As a fan, I'd rather have a sport that's fan friendly and actually has fans (other than family) can watch.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:17 am to Mizzeaux
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I meant more as a sport in general. The whole olympic thing, you know.
Got ya.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:18 am to reedus23
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T&F
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Swimming and Diving
Never going to go.
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Cross Country
Kill it, but it's men and women's. So something else still has to go.
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Golf
Probably worth keeping, plus, it's men's and womens.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 12:19 am
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