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re: Spinoff Thread : Pros and Cons of your SEC school starting Men's Soccer in NCAA
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:22 am to Mizzeaux
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:22 am to Mizzeaux
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Right now, wrestling is a strong program, and I want that to continue. I want the wrestling program to continue to pump out strong, well developed, good character Tigers, no matter what.
I'm not going to trade that in for, once again, an "on the come" soccer league in the SEC. There's no chance I'd ever support that.
Fair enough
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Vanderbilt is a bunch of pretty kids that like Lacrosse, Mizzou is a bunch of Midwestern kids that like wrestling.
Here is where our views diverge. I do not view lacrosse as the "pretty kids sport" but view it as a shift in generations. As an old guy my generation was wrestling in the north and boxing in the south. Kids I grew up with boxing have had kids and grandkids that shifted to lacrosse.
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:25 am to Mizzeaux
I get in reality it's not going to happen, but why are T&F and Swimming/Diving so protected? They have zero fan support because they're not "spectator" sports. And why can't they just drop men's cross country but keep women's? Is there some rule that prohibits that?
Of the one's I listed, golf would be the last I would axe, but again, who goes to watch a golf match at Mizzou? No one? So what's the purpose? I hate to sound like a dick, but if I'm gonna give a kid a chance to play in college, I'd just as soon it be in a sport I can watch, follow and support myself.
Of the one's I listed, golf would be the last I would axe, but again, who goes to watch a golf match at Mizzou? No one? So what's the purpose? I hate to sound like a dick, but if I'm gonna give a kid a chance to play in college, I'd just as soon it be in a sport I can watch, follow and support myself.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:27 am to Cheese Grits
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So why does TAMU not have a team? TX is a huge pipeline for SEC gymnastics so if TAMU added gymnastics on the W side, seems like they would have the Title IX space for men's soccer.
Our previous AD said a Gymnastics was one of the most expensive women's sports due to the insurance you have to carry for injuries.
Would love to have a combo of W Gymnastics, W Rifle, W Rowing, W Sand Volleyball in exchange for M Soccer
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:27 am to Cheese Grits
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I do not view lacrosse as the "pretty kids sport" but view it as a shift in generations.
I will say, having a kid starting high school, the lacrosse is pretty frickin popular. He's always turning on when it's on ESPN and I can't watch the shite. But I'd bet it's the fastest growing sport right now, partly because it's essentially starting from zero and partially because it just is that popular.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:29 am to Cheese Grits
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Here is where our views diverge. I do not view lacrosse as the "pretty kids sport" but view it as a shift in generations. As an old guy my generation was wrestling in the north and boxing in the south. Kids I grew up with boxing have had kids and grandkids that shifted to lacrosse.
Same could be said for soccer. Lacrosse is just a generation behind. None of the high schools here except the private schools have Lacrosse teams. There are clubs around for the nicer public high schools, but it's not a real thing. It's like soccer was twenty years ago.
Talking about this now really makes no difference, this is, like you said, a generational thing. It will change, but in the meantime, go with what works and leave the emerging sports up to the schools with a desire for it and the ability to make it happen within the constraints that exist.
If we visit this thread twenty years from now, I have no doubt that there will be an SEC Soccer league, and we'll be wondering when the Lacrosse thing will start. It's going to happen, but in the meantime, I'm not willing to cash anything out to make it happen on my end. I hope the Mizzou administration feels the same way.
We're not at the point where we need to dominate a small sport to try to become a powerhouse, I'd rather concentrate on what works and really do whatever can be done to make the Mizzou programs participating in sports that currently matter make as much of an impact as possible. Especially if they pay the bills.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 12:33 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:31 am to reedus23
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T&F, Cross Country, Golf, Swimming and Diving.
You might add Tennis to Golf and both are safe in the long term as the are CC sports.
Swimming and Diving have the most schools without teams
Cross Country is pretty universal (cheap to operate maybe)
T&F seems pretty universal across the conference so it seems safe. My personal opinion is many SEC T&F teams are "loss leaders" to recruit kids for other SEC sports. Say kid gets recruited with T&F scholly then switches to football or basketball after the fact.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:32 am to reedus23
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I get in reality it's not going to happen, but why are T&F and Swimming/Diving so protected?
I think they're protected because they're "olympic sports" and the collegiate level is where olympians are developed in those sports. I like to be a part of that, if only a small part.
I ditched cross country, because you know, cross country.
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Of the one's I listed, golf would be the last I would axe, but again, who goes to watch a golf match at Mizzou?
I'd keep it because it's a participatory sport, it's one that actually keeps a lot of the people involved. Especially the big money donors. People play golf, and being able to see Mizzou's student athletes do it well is somewhat important, I'd think.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:34 am to Cheese Grits
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Swimming and Diving have the most schools without teams
There's a lot of investment there for schools to become involved. That's an investment Mizzou has already made, and it doesn't really need to be upgraded often. I can't see losing that, there's really no savings to cutting it other than travel expenses.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 12:35 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:38 am to Mizzeaux
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I'd keep it because it's a participatory sport, it's one that actually keeps a lot of the people involved. Especially the big money donors. People play golf
Elephant in the room
Golf, Tennis, and Swimming are CC sports. CC's are havens of rich folks so these sports will continue on.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 5:42 am to Cheese Grits
I wish Auburn would get a team, I am old, but the younger generation is much more into soccer and nationally it has passed baseball as far as TV. It is a spectator sport so it has a good chance of paying for itself eventually. Golf, swimming, track and field, etc generate almost zero in revenue.
How is the attendance at UK and USC?
How is the attendance at UK and USC?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:11 am to allin2010
Quote from article regarding UGA soccer
"Two SEC schools do have men’s soccer teams: South Carolina and Kentucky, which play in Conference USA. In October, the Gamecocks and Wildcats played to a scoreless tie in Lexington, before a listed crowd of 396. When they met in football eight days earlier, the crowd numbered more than 82,000."
UGA SOCCER
Even though , I think the SEC could do extremely well over time in both soccer and lacrosse.
"Two SEC schools do have men’s soccer teams: South Carolina and Kentucky, which play in Conference USA. In October, the Gamecocks and Wildcats played to a scoreless tie in Lexington, before a listed crowd of 396. When they met in football eight days earlier, the crowd numbered more than 82,000."
UGA SOCCER
Even though , I think the SEC could do extremely well over time in both soccer and lacrosse.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 6:13 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:39 am to tigerbait2010
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Add some hot rich bitches in equestrian to replace women's swimming.
Replace a real NCAA sport with a made up one... good move, you've shown your knowledge of NCAA athletics.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:47 am to reedus23
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but why are T&F and Swimming/Diving so protected?
Lol, what? Over the last 15 years I have watched friend after friend have their program shutdown. We are literally a half rung above wrestling in the f you title ix. UCLA and Miami (well the divers) were top 10 programs... now they don't even exist.
Obviously I swam... but my younger bro played d1 soccer. There are plenty of non sec soccer schools out there and we don't need more.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 6:58 am to Cheese Grits
I wonder if Slive could force us to get men's soccer by forcing us to add a woman's sport? Would be a forward thinking move and cost could be partially subsidized by SEC Network revenue on soccer games. Athletics generates so much revenue, I just don't see how we couldn't get there with a little bit of politicking. Also baseball needs full scholarships.
What woman's sports would be easy to add? Beach volleyball?
What woman's sports would be easy to add? Beach volleyball?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:06 am to 3rddownonthe8
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Quote from article regarding UGA soccer
Thanks for the link
Looking at attendance numbers South Carolina is #12 and Kentucky is #30 (Akron is #2 at around 42K) and you play roughly 10 home games in a season. Louisville is #6, Indiana is #9, and Ohio State is #18 so UK benefits from soccer demand in the area so non conference opponents would draw better than in conference opponents.
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Even though , I think the SEC could do extremely well over time in both soccer and lacrosse.
Which is what I was trying to ask in the OP especially in light of it taking a decade or so to really establish a new program. With the new SECN approaching this fall it will need more live content programming to fuel the demand for 24 / 7 / 365 programming (approaching 9,000 hours per year or 600 hours or so per school)
I remember in the very early days of ESPN and it seemed like they had ACC soccer on all the time to fill air space. Seems like ESPN may try and do the same with SECN.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:28 am to ehole
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Replace a real NCAA sport with a made up one... good move, you've shown your knowledge of NCAA athletics.
Before everybody gets their panties in a wad, here is some actual background as equestrian is quasi NCAA on the path to full NCAA.
Equestrian is NCEA but is subject to NCAA rules and eligibility. The NCEA is moving to become full NCAA but needs more schools to reach the required participants to become full NCAA. The NCEA is relatively new (about 15 years) and is adding schools at the rate of 3-5 schools per year. The big takeaway here is that full NCAA status is just a matter of time and the NCAA currently allows 15 scholarships for the Equestrian sport.
The bigger issue is money and daddy's little girls who ride usually have lots more dough than daddy's little girls who swim. When it comes to sugar daddies for "donations" to universities the sport of equestrian can get bigger checks written. Right now the vast majority of SEC schools have either a sanctioned team (UGA, USC, AU, and TAMU) or club teams.
Under current status the sport has 3 NC's per season
Western
English
Overall
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:29 am to 3rddownonthe8
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In October, the Gamecocks and Wildcats played to a scoreless tie in Lexington, before a listed crowd of 396.
Clemson broke the regular season attendance record on September 2, 2011, at Historic Riggs Field. A crowd of 7,423 was on hand as the Tigers defeated South Carolina 2-0.
If Auburn and Alabama played in Soccer, there would be a HUGE crowd.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 7:30 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:53 am to allin2010
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Clemson broke the regular season attendance record on September 2, 2011, at Historic Riggs Field. A crowd of 7,423 was on hand as the Tigers defeated South Carolina 2-0. If Auburn and Alabama played in Soccer, there would be a HUGE crowd.
I think the overbearing Title 9 issue is something we need to address first. Baseball needs more scholarships before soccer takes off. We need creative solutions.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 7:54 am to Cheese Grits
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Which is what I was trying to ask in the OP especially in light of it taking a decade or so to really establish a new program. With the new SECN approaching this fall it will need more live content programming to fuel the demand for 24 / 7 / 365 programming (approaching 9,000 hours per year or 600 hours or so per school) I remember in the very early days of ESPN and it seemed like they had ACC soccer on all the time to fill air space. Seems like ESPN may try and do the same with SECN.
Would be awesome. Would love to tailgate in the spring.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 8:01 am to Cheese Grits
The next sport at UGA will likely be women's lacrosse. I think the next men's sport would likely be men's lacrosse, but it might be like 15 years or more before that happens. Really, Title IX has to change before there's any significant expansion of men's sports.
I don't think UGA has shown any interest in men's soccer at this time
I don't think UGA has shown any interest in men's soccer at this time
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 8:04 am
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