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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:17 am to Jamie Lannister
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:17 am to Jamie Lannister
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Greatest college QB of all time? hmmmmmm :)
Shaw was highly overrated, he played on teams with good defense and RBs, and he wasn't good on the road against good teams. He looked awful at LSU and FLorida couple years ago. Best I ever saw him play on the road was at Missouri but he only played the 4th quarter and was fresh. I don't think he ever played a game against Clemson at Clemson. Dylan Thompson played couple years ago.
He couldn't pass at all against Clemson a couple years ago. They had to go to QB off bench for wildcat throws, they had 2 of those that were huge for them, one was pass interference.
GOAT was meaning best USC qb of all time.
I would say he was underrated if anything. Dude was 27-5 as a starter at a non-historic power in the SEC, that's pretty freaking impressive.
He may have never played at Clemson, he was also never on team that last to Clemson. I'll take it. 4 and ohh
ETA: You are literally the first person, including all my clemson friends, that has said Shaw was "overrated". This is a interesting perspective. But seems completely reasonable from a guy that says Dabo has never overhyped this team (best players in universe, 10 OL that could start anywhere in country, 3 NFL caliber QB's).
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:19 am
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:24 am to CidCock
he played on a team with SC"s best ever defense. He wouldn't have won many games at Clemson when we had some of our worst defenses.
He is overrated. Look at his NFL draft profile, he was rated a 5, poor arm strength, etc. He was quick and a good runner but SC had a good O line. It is a team sport. I've heard SC fans say he is better than Boyd which is bs.
spurrier acted like SC was going to be world beaters this year at that bizarre press conference a month ago.
I don't think Dabo overhypes anything. He had some tough losses. He is positive about the program but he says true things.
He is overrated. Look at his NFL draft profile, he was rated a 5, poor arm strength, etc. He was quick and a good runner but SC had a good O line. It is a team sport. I've heard SC fans say he is better than Boyd which is bs.
spurrier acted like SC was going to be world beaters this year at that bizarre press conference a month ago.
I don't think Dabo overhypes anything. He had some tough losses. He is positive about the program but he says true things.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:25 am to Jamie Lannister
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I've heard SC fans say he is better than Boyd which is bs.
Which one made an NFL Roster? Do you think those guys can evaluate talent better than you?
Seriously, there is no comparison. Boyd isn't on a practice squad, Shaw has played in an NFL Game....
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:27 am to Jamie Lannister
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I don't think Dabo overhypes anything. He had some tough losses. He is positive about the program but he says true things.
Best players in universe??
3 NFL QB's?
it goes on and on.
I get it, if you like him, but he is a pumper.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:27 am to CidCock
isn't Boyd on the Steelers? NFL is a different beast than college, that doesn't mean Boyd isn't a better QB than shaw. I guarantee you every coach in country would have take taken BOyd over Shaw if they could get either one of them.
Shaw isn't ever going to start or play backup much at Cleveland and most likely will be out of NFL after this season. Cleveland QB situation isn't that good which is why he's on that team.
Shaw isn't ever going to start or play backup much at Cleveland and most likely will be out of NFL after this season. Cleveland QB situation isn't that good which is why he's on that team.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:32 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:29 am to Jamie Lannister
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isn't Boyd on the Steelers?
Shaw isn't ever going to start or play backup much at Cleveland and most likely will be out of NFL after this season.
No, he got cut.
You do realize that Shaw started 2 games last year, was getting a lot hype preseason. Yeah, he's out this year.
His NFL Career > Boyd's nonexistent NFL Career
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:32 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:29 am to m45auburn
I think they win 8.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:31 am to CidCock
Give it up CidCock. Your valiant efforts are futile. Save your fingers for another thread.
You'll thank me later.
You'll thank me later.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:33 am to CidCock
why are you brown nosing the guy. he's not at SC anymore. lol move on. He only played 2.5 years and would have been awful if he wasn't quick or playing behind an average O line. SC's defense and RBs were the main component to SC's good years. Other than wins over Clemson, UGA, and 2nd tier BIg 10 teams, what did Shaw accomplish. They should have won at least 1 Sec title because they had the best defense for a couple of years or tied with LSU.
Boyd will be ok no matter what. people like him, he will have a good life. he will probably get a tv football analyst job.
Pitt has Rothslisberg and Sanchez, that was a much more difficult situation than Cleveland.
Boyd will be ok no matter what. people like him, he will have a good life. he will probably get a tv football analyst job.
Pitt has Rothslisberg and Sanchez, that was a much more difficult situation than Cleveland.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:38 am to Jamie Lannister
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:38 am to Jamie Lannister
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why are you brown nosing the guy. he's not at SC anymore. lol move on. He only played 2.5 years and would have been awful if he wasn't quick or playing behind an average O line. SC's defense and RBs were the main component to SC's good years.
Boyd will be ok no matter what. people like him, he will have a good life. he will probably get a tv football analyst job.
Pitt has Rothslisberg and Sanchez, that was a much more difficult situation than Cleveland.
LOL. He would have been awful if he was playing behind a below average OL, you don't say?
Boyd will be okay, I don't doubt, he may be a great human, your point was he is a better QB, which clearly isn't the case.
Why doesn't Cleveland pick up Boyd then, since he is a free agent?????
Shaw still is on the roster, even though he is likely out for the season. Do some research.
ETA: Are you trolling? You can't be serious :lol:
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:40 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:39 am to m45auburn
They will improve as season progresses on offense. Mitch will have to learn quickly or sit on the bench. That game last night had a lot of teaching moments...like not committing taunting PF if you are the qb? That was stupid.
NC didnt do much and USC was beating themselves with mistakes more than anything. USC will have a lot of film to break down and show guys what was wrong and what was right and they did it with a W. UNC wont have that luxury.
NC didnt do much and USC was beating themselves with mistakes more than anything. USC will have a lot of film to break down and show guys what was wrong and what was right and they did it with a W. UNC wont have that luxury.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:39 am to Lonnie Utah
lol SHaw is 3rd string guy on a bad QB team. Cleveland is always bad at that postion.
but you continue to brag about it.
Reality is Boyd was better college football QB and a better passer, and he wasn't hurt all the time.
but you continue to brag about it.
Reality is Boyd was better college football QB and a better passer, and he wasn't hurt all the time.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:41 am to Jamie Lannister
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lol SHaw is 3rd string guy on a bad QB team. Cleveland is always bad at that postion.
but you continue to brag about it.
Reality is Boyd was better college football QB and a better passer, and he wasn't hurt all the time.
Okay, so now Boyd was a better "College" QB, because clearly he isn't a better QB.
Cleveland should cut shaw and pick up free agent Boyd. But no hurry, he'll be on the market for a while.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:42 am to CidCock
Shaw is a lot quicker than Boyd.
he's not on that team for his passing. He is a practice team guy. Woody Dantzler didn't last in NFL and he was much better than Shaw.
Shaw was not highly recruited out of high school. Boyd was. EVERY college coach would take Boyd over Shaw.
Manziel sucked last year. He's still in the NFL but so what.
How good is Cleveland's Oline? They drafted two quick QBs last year. Probably b/c the o-line isn't great.
There are other good QBs in NFL, these are best of the best, it doesn't mean Boyd is bad and if he got a chance to start, he could very well be solid.
he's not on that team for his passing. He is a practice team guy. Woody Dantzler didn't last in NFL and he was much better than Shaw.
Shaw was not highly recruited out of high school. Boyd was. EVERY college coach would take Boyd over Shaw.
Manziel sucked last year. He's still in the NFL but so what.
How good is Cleveland's Oline? They drafted two quick QBs last year. Probably b/c the o-line isn't great.
There are other good QBs in NFL, these are best of the best, it doesn't mean Boyd is bad and if he got a chance to start, he could very well be solid.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:47 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:46 am to dcbl
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yeah, UGA and LSU look like the only teams they play where they will be clearly outclassed from a talent perspective. And the difference is not so great that you should just write them off
UNC is a tough & gritty team; last night's win was no joke or fluke
I think that the 'Cocks will at a minimum get some payback against Aggie
8 or 9 wins looks realistic. My original prediction was 6-6
Hope I am wrong
I hope you're right about the upgrade assessment.
I'm still not sure about this team.
Looks like our D is going to be greatly improved as time goes-on ... they have a lot of potential. We put a lot more pressure on the UNC QB last night ... not easy to do against that offense.
Our running game should only get better. And our special teams is very very solid.
It's the passing game I have real questions about but I'm hoping that with more experience Mitch improves game by game. He is a better scrambler, runs better, than Dylan and I think that showed last night. Plus he throws a pretty pass. He made some newbie mistakes last but to some degree that is understandable. As he gains confidence so should his numbers improve.
And finally, I thought Spurrier made some questionable calls ... even he said so himself after the game.
This team is still developing chemistry. Which each game it should improve. The talent is there and there is a lot of potential within this team - we'll just have to see how it goes.
If ever there was a season where "one game at a time" applies, this is it.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:48 am to Jamie Lannister
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Shaw is a lot quicker than Boyd.
he's not on that team for his passing. He is a practice team guy. Woody Dantzler didn't last in NFL and he was much better than Shaw.
Shaw was not highly recruited out of high school. Boyd was. EVERY college coach would take Boyd over Shaw.
Manziel sucked last year. He's still in the NFL but so what.
How good is Cleveland's Oline? They drafted two quick QBs last year. Probably b/c the o-line isn't great.
There are other good QBs in NFL, these are best of the best, it doesn't mean Boyd is bad and if he got a chance to start, he could very well be solid.
Maybe I am not giving Boyd a fair shake. The only times I saw him in person he was getting sacked and throwing picks all over the place. 3 bad games, I guess. (all against USC)
ETA: Solid troll job, Woody Dantzler better than Shaw
If Shaw was as terrible as you say, I doubt he would have gotten to the NFL and STARTED Also, why don't you go hang out on the ACC Rant somwehere...this is pathetic
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:51 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:51 am to Vols&Shaft83
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I do realize that, and credit to Skai Moore for catching 2 passes that were thrown right to him. You still gave up 440 yards.
This illustrates either your ignorance of the game of college football or your lack of understanding of how the LB position is played ... or both. Probably both.
Neither time was the ball thrown right to him. Both times he baited and had to move into position after the ball was already being delivered. The first one especially, he had to dive to his left to make the pick ... which he made look easy as he has done many times before. He now has ten career interceptions. That's more than most DBs in the league.
And who gives a fat rat's arse about giving up 440 yards against that offense. We held them to 13 pts. Last I checked it's the pts that determine a winner ... not the total yards given-up.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:51 am to CidCock
his two interceptions in the last game against SC were late in 4th quarter when he was forcing the issue b/c Clemson was down.
SHaw didn't nothing passing the ball in that game but you act like he's' unbelievae, he's TOm Brady now.
Boyd beat LSU the year LSU crushed Shaw. Shaw looked like a little kid that game.
I think you just prefer white QBS over black ones, if you really think Shaw was better than Danztler and Boyd. it is hard to believe you watch football at all. I don't think any non-SC fan would agree with that.
Is Shaw better than Michael Vick?
SHaw didn't nothing passing the ball in that game but you act like he's' unbelievae, he's TOm Brady now.
Boyd beat LSU the year LSU crushed Shaw. Shaw looked like a little kid that game.
I think you just prefer white QBS over black ones, if you really think Shaw was better than Danztler and Boyd. it is hard to believe you watch football at all. I don't think any non-SC fan would agree with that.
Is Shaw better than Michael Vick?
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:54 am
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:54 am to Jamie Lannister
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I think you just prefer white QBS over black ones, if you really think Shaw was better than Danztler and Boyd. it is hard to believe you watch football at all.
Ahh, that's it.
Boyd is garbage. He was never comfortable a single game against us, he was so bad, it was sad almost. His numbers were good because he had great playmakers around him, who were black (gasp).
I just sent this thread to my good clemson buddy and he said to tell you "you're embarrassing the fanbase".
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