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Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:19 am to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:19 am to Jagd Tiger
UAB, GSU, & Kennesaw are not JUCO programs. 
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:23 am to bamafan425
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Bham tax payer money.
This money did not count toward the subsidy. The city purchased 5000 tickets, so it was counted as ticket sales.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:33 am to bamafan425
Fees and contributions were $6.5M and other money from the university was $12.5M. That is for the AD as a whole.
I am not sure whether that $12.5M includes the subsidies from the City of Birmingham. I think it does.
I am not sure whether that $12.5M includes the subsidies from the City of Birmingham. I think it does.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 9:34 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:33 am to bamafan425
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UAB, GSU, & Kennesaw are not JUCO programs
lol, compared to Bama and UGA, they might as well be Juco, it's apples and oranges, when power 5 changes kick in it will only get worse for those little guys, who can't afford to pay the stipends that the P5's will be dishing out with the scholarships.
These programs might as well be high school teams compared to the SEC.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:33 am to APIEE
So not a vast majority?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:34 am to Evolved Simian
Well guys, I have to apologize. Looks like I was completely wrong when I thought they were going to balance the budget using women's sports.
They only eliminated 21 women's scholarships and a couple of coaches. Watts' strategic plan calls for them to not only continue subsidizing the money losing sports, but commits the University (yes the University, not some student fee bs) to a $150 million deficit in athletic subsidies over the next 5 years, an increase of over 50%.
I'm completely baffled. I thought the guy was being fiscally responsible, but he's going to spend 30M per year out of the university to build a world class golf team or some shite.
ETA, This is because he is going to continue to spend the roughly 10M in football expenses on the other sports, only now, he doesn't have any offsetting revenue.
They only eliminated 21 women's scholarships and a couple of coaches. Watts' strategic plan calls for them to not only continue subsidizing the money losing sports, but commits the University (yes the University, not some student fee bs) to a $150 million deficit in athletic subsidies over the next 5 years, an increase of over 50%.
I'm completely baffled. I thought the guy was being fiscally responsible, but he's going to spend 30M per year out of the university to build a world class golf team or some shite.
ETA, This is because he is going to continue to spend the roughly 10M in football expenses on the other sports, only now, he doesn't have any offsetting revenue.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:34 am to Jagd Tiger
JUCO is so completely different than UAB. Athletics and academics are a world apart for JUCOs and schools you mentioned.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:36 am to bamafan425
Already posted:
$12.5M for the whole AD. How much of that goes to football? Is the amount that goes to football greater or lesser than the value the football team adds to UAB and Birmingham?
The number used are bullshite. UAB will be forced out of CUSA, effectively killing its athletics. This is not about the finances of football.
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Vast majority was incorrect.
$12.5M for the whole AD. How much of that goes to football? Is the amount that goes to football greater or lesser than the value the football team adds to UAB and Birmingham?
The number used are bullshite. UAB will be forced out of CUSA, effectively killing its athletics. This is not about the finances of football.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:37 am to APIEE
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I am not sure whether that $12.5M includes the subsidies from the City of Birmingham. I think it does.
The city pays $225k per home game for 5,000 tickets. Those are counted as ticket revenue, since they are actual tickets being sold. They don't count toward the subsidy.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:41 am to Evolved Simian
So over a million in revenue is from the city?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:42 am to bamafan425
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Athletics and academics are a world apart for JUCOs and schools you mentioned.
they really aren't, but I'm not surprised you are ignorant of that fact.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:43 am to Jagd Tiger
Educate me. Show me some numbers. 
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:48 am to bamafan425
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Educate me. Show me some numbers
show you what numbers, you mean dollars spent? lol, that doesn't equate to the level of education being doled out, that is decided on by the administrations involved.
I know a lot of people who work for large and small colleges and there are not that much difference is small schools. Some JUCOs actually have better individual programs than some small state schools. It depends greatly on the instructors, some of whom moonlight from larger flagship schools.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:00 am to Jagd Tiger
I wasn't talking about the quality of academics or athletics. Just the general scale and impact of a school like UAB vs. Jeff State. They are worlds apart, even if Jeff States underwater basketweaving professor is 100x better than the one at UAB.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:21 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
"They have UAB to prop them up as a university. UAB has never wanted to be associated with UAT."
UAB can be as independent as it wants to be the second they give back the UA School of Medicine they hijacked/stole and slapped their logo on.
Imagine that Auburn University out of the goodness of their heart and to serve a larger population and the greater good moved the Auburn School of Medicine to Montgomery to better serve a larger population base. Imagine then that AUM up and decides that AU's medical school doesn't belong to AU and is now the AUM medical school. They get rid of the AU logo and slap their own logo on everything. Now that they stole AU's blossoming medical school they go on a never ending crusade to bash AU and try to distant themselves and secede with their stolen goods. On top of that, they cut off AU medical school alumni from alumni activities. I suppose Auburn people would be totally cool with that right?
UAB can be as independent as it wants to be the second they give back the UA School of Medicine they hijacked/stole and slapped their logo on.
Imagine that Auburn University out of the goodness of their heart and to serve a larger population and the greater good moved the Auburn School of Medicine to Montgomery to better serve a larger population base. Imagine then that AUM up and decides that AU's medical school doesn't belong to AU and is now the AUM medical school. They get rid of the AU logo and slap their own logo on everything. Now that they stole AU's blossoming medical school they go on a never ending crusade to bash AU and try to distant themselves and secede with their stolen goods. On top of that, they cut off AU medical school alumni from alumni activities. I suppose Auburn people would be totally cool with that right?
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:31 am to Govt Tide
The med school was moved to Bham in the 30s or 40s and has gone separately under the UAB name since the 60s. It has been a long long time since it has been just a part or extension of UAT.
Regardless, your argument illustrates the whole damn problem. I don't give a shite who gets credit for the medical school, and neither should the BOT. The point is that the state of Alabama benefits from there being a good medical school. And from its largest city being home to a large and vibrant university. UAB is a public university and it should be acting to the benefit of the public. This decision does not benefit UAB or Birmingham. This decision would not be made by a BOT that viewed themselves as a representative for UAB and Birmingham, rather than UAT.
Regardless, your argument illustrates the whole damn problem. I don't give a shite who gets credit for the medical school, and neither should the BOT. The point is that the state of Alabama benefits from there being a good medical school. And from its largest city being home to a large and vibrant university. UAB is a public university and it should be acting to the benefit of the public. This decision does not benefit UAB or Birmingham. This decision would not be made by a BOT that viewed themselves as a representative for UAB and Birmingham, rather than UAT.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:38 am to Jagd Tiger
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Jagd Tiger
What in the actual frick are you talking about.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:40 am to Evolved Simian
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Watts' strategic plan calls for them to not only continue subsidizing the money losing sports, but commits the University (yes the University, not some student fee bs) to a $150 million deficit in athletic subsidies over the next 5 years, an increase of over 50%.
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he's going to spend 30M per year out of the university to build a world class golf team or some shite.
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This is because he is going to continue to spend the roughly 10M in football expenses on the other sports, only now, he doesn't have any offsetting revenue.
Wut
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:41 am to APIEE
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Regardless, your argument illustrates the whole damn problem. I don't give a shite who gets credit for the medical school, and neither should the BOT. The point is that the state of Alabama benefits from there being a good medical school. And from its largest city being home to a large and vibrant university. UAB is a public university and it should be acting to the benefit of the public. This decision does not benefit UAB or Birmingham. This decision would not be made by a BOT that viewed themselves as a representative for UAB and Birmingham, rather than UAT.
This is what I have suspected from the very beginning.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:42 am to bamafan425
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bamafan425
I think I saved this thread.
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