re: So the u of Bama wants to become more yankee?

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Can you find numbers that compare the increase of tuition at UA and AU over the past 10 years to other schools? Tuition has increased everywhere, so do we really know if it's because of the growth?

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Cost of tuition has increased nationwide. The problem with Alabama is there isn't a lotto to supplement these increases. The taxpayer of Alabama has to carry that burden out of their own pocketbook because the Legislature isn't going to increase funding because the enrollment has increased. If they Legislature earmarked funding only to instate students, then the cost for their tuition would be reduced.

That scholarship money to those out of state students could be spread even more to instate students, thus reducing their cost. Here is the kicker: Those out of state students get instate residency after two years with a little effort, so the school is actually paying them to attend.

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apparently if a high school student from certain northern states has a 3.5 gpa and 30 act score they get free tuition and room at nick Saban U. Is this good?

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No, students from ANY state qualify for PARTIAL tuition (and no room and board at all) at that score.

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That scholarship money to those out of state students could be spread even more to instate students, thus reducing their cost.
Any in-state student with halfway decent scores is getting some form of scholarship.

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So, if you make a 25 on the ACT you will get $2000 per year. The estimate of annual cost per instate student is about $24K. AU gives out less and the cost are on par with UA. Again, it looks great on the USNWR standings by having those high out state students enroll (or pay them), but the mission of Alabama Schools is not limited to those kids with 25 or greater ACTs.

Maybe those kids with scores of less than 25 should set their sights lower. Maybe give AUM a look.

I get what you're saying but without seeing the numbers I don't think we can know for sure. Also, we don't know if long term a lot of the students who chose to go to school here only to leave after graduation will come back.

There are benefits to out of state students coming as well.

I know out of state students who are paying full tuition to come to UA. Would they come here if we weren't recruiting their states so hard?

Even if a student with full tuition from out of state leaves Alabama, he will likely have still put thousands of dollars into the local economy.

The way Alabama schools do scholarships benefits the best students in state. I'm from Tennessee, and I thought the lottery scholarship was a rip-off because with a 34 ACT, I was getting about the same from UTK as someone with a 28. UTK has since changed their scholarships to fight that, but you'd still get a better deal from UA.

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when they become nothing more than a liberal arts diploma mill.

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Never going to happen. There has been a dramatic shift in focus. For example, they built a new engineering campus, and have quadrupled the enrollment in the program.

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This is laughable. Proration of higher education is now, and has ALWAYS been the first thing cut when the legislature needs some extra dollars. It has nothing to do with enrollment. Alabama and Auburn are only nominally state funded institutions these days.

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Dumbass, are you arguing what I said that the Legislature isn't going to increase funding because the Universities want to grow ? The Legislature has increased funding everywhere except higher education. It has been at a level funding the last few years. They did claim they couldn't increase funding because of the popularity of a Veterans Scholarship Program, so the cut that program. If you talk to any of them, they will tell you that they fund the Universities at a level to educate the children of Alabama (with help of In state tuition), but it falls short when the schools have to spread it over 30K+ Students. Hard to argue with that.

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The Legislature has increased funding everywhere except higher education.

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That was exactly my point, dumbass.

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If you talk to any of them, they will tell you that they fund the Universities at a level to educate the children of Alabama

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That's absolute bullshite. Almost every other dollar in state revenues is constitutionally earmarked. They can't move money from other places to HE. They can, however, take away, and they frequently do.

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I'm probably the most anti-Roy Moore human being you'll ever meet.

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I know

As state governments cut funding, major universities will seek out students from elsewhere to make up the difference. This has been happening at UA for more than a decade, This trend isn't unique to Alabama. In fact, it is happening all over the country (see, e.g., Wisconsin).

Positive: The state university inures itself to the whims of the state legislature.

Negative: The state university becomes increasing separated from its original mission to serve the people of its state, and operates according to its own logic.