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re: So the u of Bama wants to become more yankee?
Posted on 7/23/17 at 4:36 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 7/23/17 at 4:36 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Probably should be. Too many kids are wasting time at universities when they'd be better served by attending technical or vocational institutions. The country's full of youngsters with degrees that won't do them any good at all. Highly skilled/paid professions are out in society begging for newcomers.
the mission of Alabama Schools is not limited to those kids with 25 or greater ACTs.
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Posted on 7/23/17 at 4:44 pm to TxTiger82
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hey slashed funding about 10 years ago, which is when UA embarked on this mission to attract OOS students. Also, the taxpayers of Alabama do funding UA's expansion if state funding stays level.
UA's student population has doubled in the past 10 years, and taxpayers have had very little to do with that.
Nobody has said otherwise. The point I am making is the current funding by the taxpayer would have reduced the instate cost of tuition if the expansion of these campuses hadn't gotten out of hand. I do not think the increase salary of professors is proportionate to the increase in cost of instate tuition. The original buildings on AU and UA housed the student populations when they were in the low 20Ks. The people who suffered because of this growth are the children of the Alabama taxpayers, who saw tuition increase 10 fold while their incomes only increased slightly. The out of state parents are getting a bargain at the cost of the residence of Alabama.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:37 pm to Irons Puppet
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The point I am making is the current funding by the taxpayer would have reduced the instate cost of tuition if the expansion of these campuses hadn't gotten out of hand.
Let's test that theory. Has tuition at other Alabama universities decreased over the last 10 years? The other state schools aren't expanding at the scale of UA, so their tuition must have gone down, or at least held stable...
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:39 pm to coachcrisp
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Probably should be. Too many kids are wasting time at universities when they'd be better served by attending technical or vocational institutions. The country's full of youngsters with degrees that won't do them any good at all. Highly skilled/paid professions are out in society begging for newcomers.
And an Alabama child with a 25 ACT and 3.5 GPA gets $2000 a year toward his $24K a year bill, while the kid from NY/TX gets a fee ride because he has a 32 on his ACT. Even after generations of the AL child's family having paid taxes that built the majority of the buildings on campus. That same child probably can not afford to attend the State funded University so he goes to Jr College or goes deep in debt. He will either quit his pursuit of a higher education or get an inferior one. He will stay in state and pay taxes the rest of his life. While the TX/NY student gets a free ride and then head home to use his degree to get a job and pay NY/TX taxes. That is fair to the Citizens of AL. The PTB know that this policy will be accepted because the fans do not want to resist anything that might effect the Football Teams (as witnessed in this subject post).
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:42 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:I don't see the problem.
And an Alabama child with a 25 ACT and 3.5 GPA gets $2000 a year toward his $24K a year bill, while the kid from NY/TX gets a fee ride because he has a 32 on his ACT.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:46 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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The point I am making is the current funding by the taxpayer would have reduced the instate cost of tuition if the expansion of these campuses hadn't gotten out of hand.
Let's test that theory. Has tuition at other Alabama universities decreased over the last 10 years? The other state schools aren't expanding at the scale of UA, so their tuition must have gone down, or at least held stable...
Do the cost of funding per AL citizen vs cost of funding per total student enrollment. If the schools were jamming the same amount of students into the existing buildings, you might have a point. The increase in student population comes with an increase in infrastructure, which is passed on to all students. That is why tuition has increased.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:47 pm to pvilleguru
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And an Alabama child with a 25 ACT and 3.5 GPA gets $2000 a year toward his $24K a year bill, while the kid from NY/TX gets a fee ride because he has a 32 on his ACT.
I don't see the problem.
What state do you live in ?
Posted on 7/23/17 at 5:54 pm to Irons Puppet
Alabama.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 6:39 pm to pvilleguru
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Alabama.
Then you are lying or you are a fan who cares more about supporting those who prop up the football team than the children of Alabama..
How supportive would you be if after 20 years at a company that you and your ancestors help build from scratch, the company laid you off to bring in someone from another state just based on his resume ? Would it bother you that his resume shows that he has had some competitive advantages based on his location or financial status ?
Posted on 7/23/17 at 6:41 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:This doesn't have shite to do with the football team.
Then you are lying or you are a fan who cares more about supporting those who prop up the football team than the children of Alabama..
And that analogy isn't what's happening here.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 7/23/17 at 6:52 pm to pvilleguru
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And that analogy isn't what's happening here.
What is the difference ?
Posted on 7/23/17 at 7:04 pm to jb4
I won't argue about the state money or any of the economic stuff because I'm ignorant of all the specifics.
But I will say I think there has been a definite trickle down effect to the smaller schools in the state that coincides with Alabama's expansion.
I've noticed a lot more in-state kids who grew up Alabama fans choosing smaller in-state schools because they either don't meet the higher admission standards OR who don't want to go to a big school, like Alabama is now.
My son is heading to Troy in three weeks because Alabama was too big for him. He's not the only one - lots of kids choosing places like UNA, Troy, and USA lately than in the past.
The improvement of these schools is a positive for the state. It's not always about just Alabama or Auburn when we talk about state universities.
But I will say I think there has been a definite trickle down effect to the smaller schools in the state that coincides with Alabama's expansion.
I've noticed a lot more in-state kids who grew up Alabama fans choosing smaller in-state schools because they either don't meet the higher admission standards OR who don't want to go to a big school, like Alabama is now.
My son is heading to Troy in three weeks because Alabama was too big for him. He's not the only one - lots of kids choosing places like UNA, Troy, and USA lately than in the past.
The improvement of these schools is a positive for the state. It's not always about just Alabama or Auburn when we talk about state universities.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 7:08 pm to Irons Puppet
No one is getting kicked out of school in favor of a new guy. And no one should be guaranteed a spot just because they grew up in Alabama or had a parent/grandparent attend UA. Enrollment for AL students has stayed pretty constant. You may have an argument if the AL enrollment went from 20K to 5K, but that's not what's happening.
Posted on 7/23/17 at 7:28 pm to pvilleguru
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No one is getting kicked out of school in favor of a new guy. And no one should be guaranteed a spot just because they grew up in Alabama or had a parent/grandparent attend UA. Enrollment for AL students has stayed pretty constant. You may have an argument if the AL enrollment went from 20K to 5K, but that's not what's happening.
First of all, not being able to afford going to college is the same as being kept out. These cost are partially the result of new building on these campuses. New labs are one thing, new dorms, cafeterias and student activity buildings to entice the out of state student is another.
The enrollment number for AL students have been the same, but the in-state tuition hasn't (because of that growth) . It is not a UA legacy thing, it is an AL legacy thing. How many have earned a right to attend College, but are out priced by the growing cost of college. Should money given to the University be used to support that individual who has that shinny resume instead of your neighbor ?
Posted on 7/23/17 at 7:41 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Being able to go to Alabama or Auburn isn't a right. There's cheaper options if you can't score high enough for a decent scholarship. Hell, you can get an academic scholarship at AUM with a 20 on the ACT and a 3.5 GPA.
How many have earned a right to attend College, but are out priced by the growing cost of college
Posted on 7/23/17 at 7:43 pm to BamaChick
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I've noticed a lot more in-state kids who grew up Alabama fans choosing smaller in-state schools because they either don't meet the higher admission standards OR who don't want to go to a big school, like Alabama is now.
The admission standards for in-state students is not a factor. As a matter of fact, UA is bringing in a lot of students on special admission wavers in order not to have the ISS vs OSS ratio gap increase even more. What a lot of small AL colleges are doing is allowing students in adjacent states to be considered in-state students. The Hope Scholarship in GA, has helped some AL Colleges because it prevents a lot of those students from going to UGA and GT. So they pay the difference in AL as in-state students.
This post was edited on 7/23/17 at 7:46 pm
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