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re: Should the NCAA let kids transfer without penalty if they can prove the a coach
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:25 am to Patton
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:25 am to Patton
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You commit to a school not a coach. If recruits commited to a coach then that's there problem.
i see this often and i think it is way off. Guys form relationships with certain coaches. These are the coaches who are going to mold them and make them into what they are to become. Do you think bama would have the number 1 recruiting class every year if Derek Dooley were head coach?
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:31 am to Patton
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You commit to a school not a coach. If recruits commited to a coach then that's their problem.
from Roquan Smith's HC...
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“I’m reading a lot of these websites, and you’ve got people on there saying things like ‘A kid shouldn’t commit to a coach; he should commit to a school,’” Macon County coach Larry Harold said.
“I just want to tell those people this, because maybe they don’t know: If you’ve never played sports or anything like that, you are more than just a coach to these kids. You’re their dad, their mom, and their extended family. You’re everything to these kids. So when they’re going to get recruited by the next coach, to find the person who is going to be charge of the next four years of their life, they are looking for the same things.”
“When you get recruited by Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Oregon and all these top schools – when you go visit them, they all have nice football facilities. They have good academic centers and beautiful campuses. Everything is basically the same everywhere. So what separates them? You know what the coaches sell those kids on? ‘That it’s about the people and the relationships.’ That’s all they sell the kids on. They all say the same things. If you had a recruiter sitting here, he’d say, ‘Our school is just like everybody else, but it’s all about the people and relationships with us.’
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:32 am to oleyeller
Committing to a school is as antiquated and misguided a belief as Amateurism itself. The reality is, as you said, that players commit based on relationships. These players don't spend normal lives on campus. They live highly regimented schedules dictated by those men whom they call coach.
Fans that believe a recruit should commit to a school aren't seeing things as a player is going to see them. We fans see campus as nostalgic and majestic and full of tradition. We as fans and non-athlete students commit to THAT because we lead different lives on and off campus.
Instead, players see finishing schools that are going to prepare them for professional athletic careers and, hopefully, a contingency plan in the form of a degree.
THAT is the reality. Commit to the guy that is going to get you through in 3-4 years with a first round grade and a degree, not the school stamped on the top of the diploma.
Fans that believe a recruit should commit to a school aren't seeing things as a player is going to see them. We fans see campus as nostalgic and majestic and full of tradition. We as fans and non-athlete students commit to THAT because we lead different lives on and off campus.
Instead, players see finishing schools that are going to prepare them for professional athletic careers and, hopefully, a contingency plan in the form of a degree.
THAT is the reality. Commit to the guy that is going to get you through in 3-4 years with a first round grade and a degree, not the school stamped on the top of the diploma.
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 9:36 am
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:40 am to oleyeller
Of course we wouldn't. 5* aren't coming to Alabama just because we are Alabama. Another poster talked about reality. The reality is you sign the papers that bind you to the Universiry you want to play for, not the coach. Recruits today need to realize coaches change jobs all the time. This isn't new. Again, if they commit to a coach, that's their problem.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:42 am to Hugh McElroy
How many threads do you intend to start regarding LSU's coach going to the 49'ers? Did you know that LSU's former special teams coach is on staff there? There ya go, that's at least 4 more threads you can start. 
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:48 am to Hugh McElroy
NO!!! and this is from a guy whose coach quit the day before he left for school his freshman year... found out because my aunt read it in the transactions section of the usa today. i hated the interim head coach as well. still the anwer is a NO.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:48 am to Patton
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The reality is you sign the papers that bind you to the Universiry you want to play for, not the coach. Recruits today need to realize coaches change jobs all the time. This isn't new. Again, if they commit to a coach, that's their problem.
And it's a pretty horribly skewed system. The fact that we fear allowing athletes the right to transfer without penalty in the event that their HC or position coach leaves tells us that it is. If players actually were committed to the school and not the coach, they wouldn't seek a penalty-free transfer and coaches wouldn't be making $3 million+ a year. I mean, c'mon, why is the coaching market so damn competitive? Because trotting in Nick Saban into a kid's living room means a frick ton more than the University President.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:50 am to RTR America
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quote: Should be able to transfer without penalty regardless. There's an idea! I like it, actually. I don't. It would become free agency at that point. Good teams would recruit guys on bad teams to try to convince them to fill holes on their current roster.
It's an awful idea
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:55 am to Hugh McElroy
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Should the NCAA let kids transfer without penalty if they can prove the a coach lied to them?
Absolutely IF they based their decision on that coach being there when they arrive. Not hard to police at all. Get things in writing and it is clear cut.
Kids commit to coaches as well as schools. This is why coaches are assigned to recruit certain kids. Recruiting a kid is not a team effort with all coaches taking a role. Not the way it works.
If the HC at that school had any class and really had strong feelings for fairness and honesty, he would give that kid the option of being released from his LOI. Particularly if that kid had committed because of an assistant coach that then left as in the circumstance you are referring to.
Of course that would take a HC with core values and principals.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:56 am to Hugh McElroy
No, but true top recruits shouldn't sign and fax on the first day. That would solve the problem wouldn't it?
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:57 am to Hugh McElroy
Schools love to point out it's a contract when kids try to back out of their LOIs, but watch them squirm when people start pointing out things like lack of consideration (coaches recruiting them and reason they chose school leave) and fraudulent inducement (coaches intentionally telling recruits they aren't leaving in order to get their LOI but knowing they are already on the way out the door) which generally can be used to nullify a contract.
It seems only in college sports can one party to a contract outright lie to the other side and then say too bad once the deal is signed and the lies revealed.
This is a major lawsuit waiting to happen the way the college recruitment game is trending.
It seems only in college sports can one party to a contract outright lie to the other side and then say too bad once the deal is signed and the lies revealed.
This is a major lawsuit waiting to happen the way the college recruitment game is trending.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:58 am to therick711
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w many threads do you intend to start regarding LSU's coach going to the 49'ers? D
This has NOTHING to do with LSU. Nothing at all. Most people know exactly what this is referring to and it has nothing to do with LSU or TCU.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 9:58 am to Old Sarge
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No, but true top recruits shouldn't sign and fax on the first day. That would solve the problem wouldn't it?
Most of it, yeah.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:00 am to Patton
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You commit to a school not a coach. If recruits commited to a coach then that's their problem
The school is not blowing smoke up their arse it is the coaches. Most of these students have no idea about the school they are going to. They are their because of the coaches
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:00 am to Hugh McElroy
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Should the NCAA let kids transfer without penalty if they can prove the a coach lied to them?
Was Sumlin's promise to Speedy that he wouldn't get arrested for pot, or that the cops would never bother him about it? Could be a gamechanger, would love to have him at corner next season.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:03 am to LSULaw2009
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This is a major lawsuit waiting to happen the way the college recruitment game is trending.
It will have to get in line behind the O'Bannon appeal, the Kessler suit, and the UNC suit. All in all, the NCAA will be dead long before recruiting is ever questioned in open court.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:04 am to Patton
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The reality is you sign the papers that bind you to the Universiry you want to play for, not the coach.
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Again, if they commit to a coach, that's their problem.
You sound like a shitty lawyer. Of course as it stands right now it is the kids problem. That is the very essence of this thread.
Some kids commit to a University, that is true. Those kids tend to commit early and never look back. The kids that are being fought over are dealing with a specific coach from different Universities. Those kids are being sold on the coach. The coach is selling himself on talent development, how he treats players, etc...
You are totally ignoring modern day recruiting with a dumb legal statement that would actually not hold up in court. If the kid wants to fight it, he would probably win.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:07 am to NGATiger
NCAA should allow a 1-time transfer without penalty...or make coaches sit out a year as well.
I would argue that the transfer can not be to a team within the same conference as the previous school as my only condition.
Truly if the NCAA cared about the well being of student athletes, they would let this happen.
Normal students transfer all the time...
I would argue that the transfer can not be to a team within the same conference as the previous school as my only condition.
Truly if the NCAA cared about the well being of student athletes, they would let this happen.
Normal students transfer all the time...
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:08 am to Tridentds
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You sound like a shitty lawyer.
you sound like a butthurt fan that is unaffected by this. i got severely boned by this and i am perfectly fine with this ncaa rule.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:09 am to Tridentds
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This has NOTHING to do with LSU.
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