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re: Should the NCAA let kids transfer without penalty if they can prove the a coach
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:35 pm to Hugh McElroy
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:35 pm to Hugh McElroy
No. Should a kid who's committed for months/years who flips last minute be forced to sign with the original school? Recruiting is a dirty business on every side.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:41 pm to Hugh McElroy
Can we take our votes back from politicians as well, if so I say yes. Since we are going to make life fair for all in the rant, should we include any coaches that are fired or quit and leave for the NFL?
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:44 pm to Hugh McElroy
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For example, it they can show a text or something where the coach assured the kid that his position coach was not taking another job, but then the position coach took another job the week after signing day.
There is 0% chance that both this and an early signing period could happen.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:47 pm to tylerdurden24
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Why is the NLI the worst contract in American sports? It requires players to sign away their right to be recruited by other schools. If they don’t enroll at the school with which they signed, they forfeit a year of eligibility. Not a redshirt year, but one of their four years to play. In return, the NLI guarantees the player nothing.
These kids are recruited for months, sometime even years by multiple schools before the actual NSD. The player and their parent/legal guardian/mentor/etc know how this shite works well in advance of actually putting pen to paper and paper into facimile.
quote:Watch 'em NOT sign that NLI and see how many big time programs will hold open a spot for them.
Though most players don’t realize it, they do not have to sign the NLI to receive a scholarship. They need only sign a financial aid agreement at their chosen school. The financial aid paperwork provides (almost) the same guarantee of a scholarship as the NLI, but unlike the NLI, it doesn’t strip the player of the only leverage he’ll have until he graduates from college.
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:52 pm to DMagic
quote:Indeed
Recruiting is a dirty business on every side.
Shall we broach the subject of Basketball recruiting? The scum of the earth runs high school basketball - total scum.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:54 pm to RT1941
That's a whole different ballgame no pun intended. The talent pool is much smaller and like you alluded to the handlers are 1000 times worse. Worse yet is that the talent is more underdeveloped than football because of the system.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:56 pm to Hugh McElroy
The rule is in place for a good reason and proving a kid was lied to is unpossible.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:10 pm to RT1941
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The player and their parent/legal guardian/mentor/etc know how this shite works well in advance of actually putting pen to paper and paper into facimile.
Actually, more often than not the parents are as clueless as the kids. Unless they have a HS coach familiar with how the process works and what a player can and cannot do, the parents just go by what they've heard and what seems right. There are thousands of stories of parents and kids both that feel jilted or lied to after the fact because they had no idea what they were doing. There is usually not anybody on the player's side that can counsel them through the legalize and the deceit that happens in recruiting.
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Watch 'em NOT sign that NLI and see how many big time programs will hold open a spot for them.
Roquan Smith could come to UGA on a whim this summer without signing an NLI and we'd welcome him with open arms. As would UCLA, Michigan, and A&M. The article goes on to say that not signing the NLI may not be such a wise move for a kid with offers to Arkansas State, for example, but a lot of the players we follow in recruiting have their pick of P5 schools. If Bama or UGA or whoever doesn't want to wait, then it becomes a buyer's market and the player can go wherever wants him most.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:11 pm to DMagic
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That's a whole different ballgame no pun intended. The talent pool is much smaller and like you alluded to the handlers are 1000 times worse. Worse yet is that the talent is more underdeveloped than football because of the system.
Just you wait. 7 on 7 is taking football in the AAU direction.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:11 pm to coachcrisp
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Has anybody even thought about the possibility that the head coach and school don't know that the assistant is thinking about leaving?..happens often. What are their rights?..Where are their alternatives?
Bottom line: It's not a perfect world...shite happens!
Pretty sure all these coaches have a contact clause written into their contracts. Another team, NCAA or NFL must get permission from the AD/HC to talk to them...
Posted on 2/9/15 at 1:13 pm to dallasga6
Not to mention that, in the case of UGA and UCLA for example, we somehow knew Ulbrich was leaving UCLA but Mora didn't? Gimme a break. Either he's a pathetic liar (likely) or he is a horrible manager of his staff.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 2:35 pm to Hugh McElroy
Sure. To make an analogy, let's say you chose to go to tamu because there was a specific teacher at tamu who taught theory of fertilizer spreading. Further, this was going to be your field of concentration: shoveling fertilizer; a respectable, if not typical tamu major. Also, let's say that other than being a typical, dumpy, horse-faced tamu female graduate, she is tops in the field.
If she quit to go take a higher paying, more prestigious job at The University of Texas, no one would blame you for transferring to Texas Tech to finish your major (being a tamu student, UT is a bit out of your academic comprehension and price range). Athletes should be treated similarly.
If she quit to go take a higher paying, more prestigious job at The University of Texas, no one would blame you for transferring to Texas Tech to finish your major (being a tamu student, UT is a bit out of your academic comprehension and price range). Athletes should be treated similarly.
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 2/9/15 at 2:42 pm to Hugh McElroy
There's a very simple solution to this holdout till after signing day
Posted on 2/9/15 at 3:06 pm to tylerdurden24
Here is what I think needed to happen...
1. Allows recruits to take official visits starting in the sorting after their junior season.
2. Have an early signing period
3. If there is a HC change, and a player has signed with the school, they can be released from their signature. (I thought about also including their position coach or coordinator on the side of the ball they're going to play, but many project at multiple positions b and that would be tough to enforce. If they leave after nsd, too bad, just like now.
1. Allows recruits to take official visits starting in the sorting after their junior season.
2. Have an early signing period
3. If there is a HC change, and a player has signed with the school, they can be released from their signature. (I thought about also including their position coach or coordinator on the side of the ball they're going to play, but many project at multiple positions b and that would be tough to enforce. If they leave after nsd, too bad, just like now.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 4:37 pm to Hugh McElroy
Coaches have been coming & going since the beginning of football. Coaches have their interest at hand & players should have theirs as well. You commit to a program/school...not a coach.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 4:50 pm to Hugh McElroy
Bwahahaha. I still can't believe some corndog thought this thread was about the LSU WR coach. As if anyone knows (or cares) who the LSU WR coach is. Holy shite, that's rich.
That type of delusion deserves a salute. So...
Cheers!
That type of delusion deserves a salute. So...
Cheers!
Posted on 2/9/15 at 5:14 pm to Tooncesridesagain
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Sure. To make an analogy, let's say you chose to go to tamu because there was a specific teacher at tamu who taught theory of fertilizer spreading...
This was well done, seriously. You should teach other LSU fans on the subject of smartassery. This was brilliant. I salute you, sir.
For myself I say LOI gets tossed at the recruit's request, whether it is the HC or his position coach leaving. But then he has only until April 1 or whatever the current drop-dead date is before he is forced to sign with the original school or some other. I can't see the harm in that. Yeah, the coach could move after April 1 and recruit (from his perspective) would be screwed. But I don't see that happening - that's pretty late.
For those saying the recruit should be signing with the school, not a specific coach... that's just not reality. Bama hasn't had the #1 class for... what? 5 years in a row?... because all those recruits wanted to yell "Roll Tide".
Posted on 2/9/15 at 5:23 pm to coachcrisp
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Has anybody even thought about the possibility that the head coach and school don't know that the assistant is thinking about leaving?
Shut up, these kids are victims. I'm sure you condone rape as well.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 5:27 pm to RTR America
quote:Nailed it. Let's use a hypothetical from this last season- LSU is dominant at most positions, terrible at QB. They beat A&M for the however many times in a row, and A&M has at least one prolific passer on the roster. It's an easy sell- leave the Aggies (who can't beat LSU anyway), step right in at LSU, make a run at the playoffs next year.
Should be able to transfer without penalty regardless.
There's an idea! I like it, actually.
I don't. It would become free agency at that point. Good teams would recruit guys on bad teams to try to convince them to fill holes on their current roster
Posted on 2/9/15 at 5:41 pm to Scoob
In that case, why couldn't LSU just recruit a talented QB to begin with, instead of messing with transfers?
Oh wait. Nevermind ...
Oh wait. Nevermind ...
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