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re: Should the NCAA let kids transfer without penalty if they can prove the a coach
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:13 am to ehole
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:13 am to ehole
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i got severely boned by this and i am perfectly fine with this ncaa rule.
Well, that's how you feel. Just because I happen to feel differently then I am somehow butthurt? I have no dog in this hunt so I am giving an honest opinion.
Why does an opposite view mean someone is butthurt??
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:16 am to wadewilson
Pretty sure it has to do with the player that committed to texass. His position coach went to Florida. He said he specifically asked about this before he signed.
Been in the papers here in Texas for at least 3 maybe 4 days now. So... I don't think this has anything to do with upgrade U.
Been in the papers here in Texas for at least 3 maybe 4 days now. So... I don't think this has anything to do with upgrade U.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:18 am to Hugh McElroy
There is a ton of STUPID in this thread. The idea of allowing kids to move around to other schools at will is so ridiculous that it's asinine to even discuss...can you imagine the Alabamas, Ohio States, Southern Cals, etc. of the world being able to get kids after these kids have shown their worth?...you talking about the "haves" and the "have not"! It would literally ruin college football as we know it.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:29 am to Tridentds
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you sound like a shitty lawyer
Thank you! I didn't even go to law school!
All I'm saying is that it is an everyday occurrence of coaches leaving schools. Kids being recruited by these coaches should realize the potential that the guy recruiting him might not be there for the players whole career. I don't feel bad when a kid commits to a coach and he leaves. The player knew the possibility was there. Is it shitty of a coach to sell the relationship knowing he won't provide one? Yup.
What's the alternative? How do we fix this skewed system?
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 10:31 am
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:32 am to Patton
If a position or head coach leaving is that devastating for you then transfer to another school after sitting out a year. Didn't Troy Aikman do that? From Oklahoma to UCLA? Ended up the #1 overall pick.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:32 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
quote:What an idiot!
Should be able to transfer without penalty regardless.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:35 am to RTR America
quote:This - ONLY if it's the Head Coach that leaves though.
I'd rather let them get out of their LOI's if this happens
Position coaches, assistants, coordinators come and go all the damn time - a kid and his parents should know that when they agree to sign with a school.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:45 am to Patton
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The player knew the possibility was there.
In this case the OP is referring to this possibility was explored by the kid prior to signing the LOI. It was obviously a concern of his so he asked about it and was lied to. Within the context of the OP, this is really what I am referring to. To the best of the kids understanding, this was not a possibility.
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What's the alternative? How do we fix this skewed system?
Definitely has potential to open Pandora's Box. Lot's of kids get released from LOI's for a variety of reasons. I think in this case the school ought to recognize that one of the reasons the kid signed on was because he was told by the coach that he wasn't going anywhere. Then he left 48 hours later.
The HC probably should do right by the kid and have a private conversation with him and give him an option of staying or getting released from his LOI. The kid may stay anyway as some of the other schools he was interested in may have filled is positions or not have a scholarship left to offer.
In general I agree with you that once you sign, you are stuck. Do we really want to get to the point where a kid needs a lawyer to go through an LOI and strike/object to things? The HC can do the right thing and give the kid an option. Had this been done, we wouldn't have even heard about this incident.
This post was edited on 2/9/15 at 10:46 am
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:46 am to Hugh McElroy
Time for a salary cap in college.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:48 am to Tridentds
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I have no dog in this hunt
that didn't stop you from having an opinion on something that affects you 0. you brush aside my thoughts as an athlete who was in that exact position, and attempt to make your opinion as valid as mine. it is not.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:49 am to RTR America
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I don't. It would become free agency at that point. Good teams would recruit guys on bad teams to try to convince them to fill holes on their current roster.
Bingo.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:50 am to Tridentds
Has anybody even thought about the possibility that the head coach and school don't know that the assistant is thinking about leaving?..happens often. What are their rights?..Where are their alternatives?
Bottom line: It's not a perfect world...shite happens!
Bottom line: It's not a perfect world...shite happens!
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:57 am to ehole
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ou brush aside my thoughts as an athlete who was in that exact position, and attempt to make your opinion as valid as mine. it is not.
You are right now that I think about it. Since you have firsthand experience then your opinion is really the only one that should count. I should just agree with you.
I see where you are coming from now.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:57 am to Hugh McElroy
Yes
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:58 am to Patton
quote:In any other contract situation if you can prove you signed it under fraud the contract is no longer valid. Why do you want the case to be different here?
You commit to a school not a coach. If recruits commited to a coach then that's their problem.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 10:59 am to Hugh McElroy
i think there should be more transfer friendly rules for when a coach leaves right after singing day.
IDK if it should require lying, shite happens too, and it doesn't make the recruit less screwed.
IDK if it should require lying, shite happens too, and it doesn't make the recruit less screwed.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:14 am to lsupride87
quote:You just made the man's point. No where on a LOI does the recruit commit to the coach...it's the school's name on the contract. And nowhere on the LOI is it stated that if the coach that recruited him leaves, then the LOI is null and void, so there's NO fraud perpetrated.
You commit to a school not a coach. If recruits commited to a coach then that's their problem. In any other contract situation if you can prove you signed it under fraud the contract is no longer valid. Why do you want the case to be different here?
Posted on 2/9/15 at 11:41 am to coachcrisp
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No where on a LOI does the recruit commit to the coach...it's the school's name on the contract. And nowhere on the LOI is it stated that if the coach that recruited him leaves, then the LOI is null and void, so there's NO fraud perpetrated.
I think one of the points needed to be considered here is that the NLI is itself a completely out-of-touch document that college-bound athletes have no choice but to sign (the alternative is enter college as a regular student without a scholarship). Which is why I agree with Roquan Smith's coach, that players just shouldn't sign it at all:
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Why is the NLI the worst contract in American sports? It requires players to sign away their right to be recruited by other schools. If they don’t enroll at the school with which they signed, they forfeit a year of eligibility. Not a redshirt year, but one of their four years to play. In return, the NLI guarantees the player nothing.
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Though most players don’t realize it, they do not have to sign the NLI to receive a scholarship. They need only sign a financial aid agreement at their chosen school. The financial aid paperwork provides (almost) the same guarantee of a scholarship as the NLI, but unlike the NLI, it doesn’t strip the player of the only leverage he’ll have until he graduates from college.
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Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:25 pm to tylerdurden24
End coaches recruiting. Have players pick the school they want without talking to coaches. Only admissions staff. All formal.
Posted on 2/9/15 at 12:31 pm to tylerdurden24
There's a partial solution to this. Treat student athletes the same as other FR applicants and take much of the guessing game out. They will then pick the school that's best for them that they are qualified to get receive admission.
Too many of these guys don't belong in college anyway.
Too many of these guys don't belong in college anyway.
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