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re: Serious question. No troll. Why did LSU Fans Have Confidence in Joe?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:07 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:07 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Yep, all that said, watching Chavis have to deal with the offense only putting up 7 points for him to work with was giving me no end of entertainment
I wasn't online over the weekend but I bet there were more than a few threads pointing that out.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:13 pm to BrerTiger
No one had any confidence in Allva we all were hoping alumni were calling the shots.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 6:38 pm to BrerTiger
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It was already known prior to kickoff that Jimbo said no. That news broke Saturday morning.
Ah OK.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 9:23 pm to BrerTiger
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I wasn't online over the weekend but I bet there were more than a few threads pointing that out.
Yep.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:03 pm to cardboardboxer
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Why were so many LSU fans so confident in Joe making the right hire?
If this is really what you think, then you haven't been paying attention.
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If Joe couldn't pull in Jimbo (which was ALWAYS a moonshot)
All of the trustworthy media peoples that cover LSU around here are in agreement that Jimbo was almost assuredly coming.
Louisiana politics crashed this. Not Joe Alleva, not a new found love for Miles, not even an uninspired win over a perennially overrated Aggie team. Dirty, banal, basic Louisiana politics.
ETA: Personally, I was never crazy of the Jimbo idea. I think he's a great coach, but the idea of him over the team and trying to bring Muschamp on board as DC just reeks of the Saban fixation crippling the power brokers and weaker members of the LSU fanbase. LSU and Baton Rouge would be much better off if everyone just stopped worrying about what Alabama and Saban are doing.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:06 pm to wadewilson
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All of the trustworthy media peoples that cover LSU around here are in agreement that Jimbo was almost assuredly coming. Louisiana politics crashed this. Not Joe Alleva, not a new found love for Miles, not even an uninspired win over a perennially overrated Aggie team. Dirty, banal, basic Louisiana politics.
Wait wait wait. How did Louisiana politics prevent LSU from getting Jimbo? I am missing the connection.
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ETA: Personally, I was never crazy of the Jimbo idea. I think he's a great coach, but the idea of him over the team and trying to bring Muschamp on board as DC just reeks of the Saban fixation crippling the power brokers and weaker members of the LSU fanbase. LSU and Baton Rouge would be much better off if everyone just stopped worrying about what Alabama and Saban are doing.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:10 pm to cardboardboxer
Infighting over whether or not to cough up the 17 million in buyouts for Les and staff, and the figure north of 7 million to bring in Jimbo, plus his staff.
The leaks weeks before this game just made a perfect shitstorm, made the public realize how truly powerless and spineless Alleva was, and ultimately, Saturday, Jimbo looked at it and said "no thanks".
F King Alexander then said "you know what, we can't do this".
There are too many money people inside of this program that think they're more important than they really are, and think they know more about football than the actual football people. These guys don't just donate to the LSU AD and university either, they also donate to politicians. I'm sure the outgoing and incoming governor had their own opinions on the matter as well.
The leaks weeks before this game just made a perfect shitstorm, made the public realize how truly powerless and spineless Alleva was, and ultimately, Saturday, Jimbo looked at it and said "no thanks".
F King Alexander then said "you know what, we can't do this".
There are too many money people inside of this program that think they're more important than they really are, and think they know more about football than the actual football people. These guys don't just donate to the LSU AD and university either, they also donate to politicians. I'm sure the outgoing and incoming governor had their own opinions on the matter as well.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:12 pm to cardboardboxer
Personally, I was more intrigued by the possibility of Chip Kelly or Herman over at Houston.
You just can't pay a staff 17 million to not coach at your team and not bring in a guy with the reputation, record, and expertise of a Jimbo Fisher.
So............I understand why it didn't happen, but I'm still pissed. This is going to end badly, and we'll be having this same conversation in 365 days.
You just can't pay a staff 17 million to not coach at your team and not bring in a guy with the reputation, record, and expertise of a Jimbo Fisher.
So............I understand why it didn't happen, but I'm still pissed. This is going to end badly, and we'll be having this same conversation in 365 days.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:23 pm to wadewilson
Can somebody from outside LSUs fanbase help me understand this national love for Les Miles and why they think its folly to sack him? 
Have yall never seen LSUs offense? Do yall just look at the record?
Have yall never seen LSUs offense? Do yall just look at the record?Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:27 pm to wadewilson
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There are too many money people inside of this program that think they're more important than they really are, and think they know more about football than the actual football people.
That seems to happen at a lot of places.
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So............I understand why it didn't happen, but I'm still pissed. This is going to end badly, and we'll be having this same conversation in 365 days.
Really? You don't see any way Les can turn it around? Won't he have to shake up the staff a little?
I mean I get pessimism, we lost to the coach y'all want to fire, but if Jimbo was really off the table wasn't Les still the best option B since the alternative is Joe or the corrupt boosters have to pick a coach (aka thread theme)?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:44 pm to cardboardboxer
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Really? You don't see any way Les can turn it around? Won't he have to shake up the staff a little?
If Cam is to go, this will be the 6th offensive coordinator Miles has hired, and while there have been some variations and differences in game planning and play calling, results have still been hamstringed. It seems the common theme is that LSU tries to be too multiple. The one thing they do pretty well is a power run - two tight ends, a fullback, and hammer away. Well, this year we lost our 300 lb senior tight end and our 1st string fullback to injuries and the offense sputtered and died. The talent is there on offense. I don't think Harris is as bad as everyone here seems to think, and the rest of the offense is loaded. It's unacceptable to fail that hard when a blocking TE and a fullback are lost.
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I mean I get pessimism, we lost to the coach y'all want to fire
Aggie's issues are baffling me.
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but if Jimbo was really off the table wasn't Les still the best option B
Yes. My anger is at the way the coaching situation was handled. However I feel about Les as a coach over the past few seasons, he clearly cares for his players and the program, and he is a good man. He deserved better than that.
Georgia showed us how you dismiss a coach. If LSU handled it that way, I really think Jimbo would be announced as our new coach this week.
Maybe he was a moonshot, but trustworthy sports people in the know around here all seem to be in agreement that Jimbo was coming.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:53 pm to wadewilson
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but if Jimbo was really off the table wasn't Les still the best option B
Sorry.
To clarify, yes. Bar Jimbo Fisher, Urban Meyer, or Nick Saban coming to coach LSU next year, after the way this situation went down it is absolutely the best bad decision to retain Miles. Now you have to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:02 pm to cardboardboxer
I wasn't. Fans hate Miles so much they were blinded. Oh well JJ might be good, please the guy can't coach and was at North Texas. That deal didn't require any sort of negotiation tactics. And then, well he hired cutcliffe. All if his hires have been shite.
LSU has a history of screwing up coaching searches. I knew this would turn out the same. Which is why I was so pissed about this. You have screwed with recruiting, which LSU is about to have its best 3 cycles since I've been alive.
LSU has a history of screwing up coaching searches. I knew this would turn out the same. Which is why I was so pissed about this. You have screwed with recruiting, which LSU is about to have its best 3 cycles since I've been alive.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:12 pm to wadewilson
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Cam is to go, this will be the 6th offensive coordinator Miles has hired
Jimbo took head coach job, was on previous staff. Had contract with LSU. Crowton, was asked to leave.
Kragthoroe was a bad situation that is no ones fault. Stud wasn't supposed to be the Oc and wasn't even a candidate. He was on staff and the season was about to start. I will say he improved the offense. Or at least took confusion out of crowtons crazy sub packages. You keep him on, maybe they can make it work, maybe they didn't have a better option at the time. Either way they make the change after 12.
So what he's hired 3 ocs?
This whole 6 thing needs some context. It's not as simple and say, they fired 5 other ocs and the offense is the same.
No the offensive play calling has changed from one Oc to the other. In reality cam was his 3rd Oc hire. The philosophy remains the same, power run game strong defense. And that's exactly what previous coaches at LSU tried to accomplish. Les is no diff, but has been more successful than all the others.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:25 pm to wadewilson
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Aggie's issues are baffling me.
Our oline and offensive playcalling suck.
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Yes. My anger is at the way the coaching situation was handled. However I feel about Les as a coach over the past few seasons, he clearly cares for his players and the program, and he is a good man. He deserved better than that.
I think most people agree with that. Thank you for the thorough and frank discussion, it is very appreciated. This is a fascinating subject that I was honestly scared to bring up being a A5M fan, but this thread has been great with all the good contributions like yours. What we all saw during that A5M game (other than a display of offensive impotence a dumptruck of viagra couldn't fix) was a clean end to the Les Miles era. He won at home, sang the song, and generally was very positive about his time at LSU and his current group of players. It was almost a little emotional to watch a man with such conviction for his program being let go in a way befitting the Hallmark Channel, and then when it didn't happen questions are naturally raised.
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To clarify, yes. Bar Jimbo Fisher, Urban Meyer, or Nick Saban coming to coach LSU next year, after the way this situation went down it is absolutely the best bad decision to retain Miles. Now you have to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
What I wonder is if yall do get a new OC won't he have to be offered a multi-year contract without a Les clause to buy in? You can't stand still in college football, you are either moving forward with commitments or backwards with ways to get out of them. If Joe has been preparing for the Les firing for a while then it seems the leash is short no matter the commitment needed I guess?
Thanks again.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
You're terrible
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:55 pm to dgnx6
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This whole 6 thing needs some context. It's not as simple and say, they fired 5 other ocs and the offense is the same.
Ok, so if he hires a new OC, this will be the 6th OC he has had.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:00 am to cardboardboxer
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Thank you for the thorough and frank discussion, it is very appreciated.
Hey, no problem.
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being a A5M fan
Don't do that.
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It was almost a little emotional to watch a man with such conviction for his program being let go in a way befitting the Hallmark Channel, and then when it didn't happen questions are naturally raised.
Naturally. I wanted Miles gone, and I still want Miles gone, and I'm not apologizing for that, but I feel dirty having that opinion with the way things went down.
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What I wonder is if yall do get a new OC won't he have to be offered a multi-year contract without a Les clause to buy in? You can't stand still in college football, you are either moving forward with commitments or backwards with ways to get out of them. If Joe has been preparing for the Les firing for a while then it seems the leash is short no matter the commitment needed I guess?
The leash is short for everybody, but Miles has a contract through 2019. We definitely cannot give him any kind of extension or restructuring.
As for the OC...........look, it's pretty clear that 2016 is a put up or shut up year for Miles. Either he's in or very close to in Atlanta, or the AD grows a set of balls and handles this shite like a man.
That being said, I don't want an OC with any illusions of job security or a long career at LSU. I either want a rock star that's looking for a stepping stone to a head coaching gig, or I want Frank Wilson in the driver's seat and a guy that's fully dedicated to working with quarterbacks and maximizing their strengths, not trying to force them to fit his mold.
But I'm just a fan.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:05 am to wadewilson
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Don't do that.
Ok deal. With it being 5umlin vs Les again next year it might be A6M soon anyway.
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But I'm just a fan.
Amen brother, aren't we all. Just have to hope for the best and frick all the rest.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:06 am to cardboardboxer
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I can see that. So basically the confidence came from the theory that Joe would nail the moonshot hire of Jimbo. That is a real answer to my question, so thank you.
If begs another question though, which is:
Why did LSU fans think that a moonshot hire like Jimbo was a slam dunk right after they watched up close Texas whiffing on Saban?
Maybe I will make another thread.
It was thought to be a slam dunk hire in terms of quality if he signed, but not a slam dunk that he would come.
The people involved didn't keep it under wraps well at all. One has to remember the stakeholders involved.
People can laugh all they want at the notion, but most of what the "insiders" said had more than a modicum of truth/credibility to it. LSU admin killed it on Fri/Sat, purportedly because FSU counter-offered. Boosters could have paid for it, but the admin buckled under PR pressure and political bullshite. I don't think any of this is Joe's fault.
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