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re: Serious question. No troll. Why did LSU Fans Have Confidence in Joe?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:57 pm to 1999
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:57 pm to 1999
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i was impressed they had been communicating with jimbo through back channels and thought maybe they were serious about getting this done. i incorrectly assumed since they had pooled all the buyout money they had their ducks in a row.
I can see that. So basically the confidence came from the theory that Joe would nail the moonshot hire of Jimbo. That is a real answer to my question, so thank you.
If begs another question though, which is:
Why did LSU fans think that a moonshot hire like Jimbo was a slam dunk right after they watched up close Texas whiffing on Saban?
Maybe I will make another thread.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:57 pm to cardboardboxer
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I get that. But he isn't the slam dunk Smart is
I would of wanted to take a risk to dare be great.
Herman could fail, but he also could be Urban 2.0.
A lot of us were willing to take the risk instead of settling with Miles another year.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:58 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Do you really not understand the LSU mindset?
Just because you want a man to fire a coach doesn't mean you want that man to hire the next coach. That would actually take forethought. Do you really believe there is any significant portion of the LSU fan base capable of such advanced thinking?
lol at you.
I am serious when I said no trolling. I mean I can't enforce it, but a real discussion is nice.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:58 pm to cardboardboxer
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So why are so many people angry at Joe right now if he got overruled? That seems unfair to Joe.
Much more are pissed at King.
Joe is the fall guy here, which is ok with me considering the leak that got out, but King killed the deal in the end.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 3:58 pm to c on z
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It would have helped if he stated his policy last Monday at the presser instead of saying "no comment".
Do you think the decision to keep Les was made at that point?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:00 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
Get out of here, the adults are discussing.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:00 pm to CBandits82
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TAF is full of power brokers. This thing was done until King killed it to avoid the media coverage about LSU spending 15 million on a buyout where as the academic side is hurting which is bullshite because the buyout would of been paid with private money.
I will be honest, from the start I wondered about the optics of firing Les and paying the buyout when the university went through all that money crisis recently. I wasn't going to push that issue though, as I don't know much about the politics around the state anymore and I knew the AD could afford it.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:01 pm to 1999
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i still don't believe joe leaked the story. i don't see how it would have benefited him.
You think it was a booster trying to force Joe's hand? Why didn't Joe just come out and stop the hype train before the A&M game then? Maybe it was a booster that Joe can't afford to piss off?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:03 pm to cardboardboxer
Our Athletic Department is completely separate from the University and makes a ton of money. With TAF on board LSU would not have paid a cent of the buyout.
The thing with King is that many people thought and still do think that he was extremely exaggerating the situation at LSU last year to begin with.
The press would of published some stories about the monetary side of this fiasco for sure, but screw it, we should of just done it.
The thing with King is that many people thought and still do think that he was extremely exaggerating the situation at LSU last year to begin with.
The press would of published some stories about the monetary side of this fiasco for sure, but screw it, we should of just done it.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:04 pm to cardboardboxer
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You think it was a booster trying to force Joe's hand? Why didn't Joe just come out and stop the hype train before the A&M game then? Maybe it was a booster that Joe can't afford to piss off?
Probably what happened actually.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:05 pm to cardboardboxer
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I am serious when I said no trolling. I mean I can't enforce it, but a real discussion is nice.
I'm serious, those who wanted Miles gone were being irrational. You cannot expect irrational people to consider the consequences of their actions. I honestly don't believe they were thinking past firing Miles and hiring Jimbo. Once Jimbo didn't come you would have heard a giant, "Oh frick" coming out of Louisiana. Then you would've heard the cries for Alleva's head for firing a coach without having a replacement in hand.
The one thing they did achieve is throwing a bucketful of doubt into the 2016 recruiting class.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:07 pm to cardboardboxer
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Why were so many LSU fans so confident in Joe making the right hire?
I don't think Joe was trying to make the decision entirely on his own. It sounded like the big money boosters were pushing for Jimbo based on prior relationships. But if not Jimbo, keeping Les was the right move. He just seriously bungled the PR aspect of it and should have hedged it a little in case Jimbo wasn't coming. I mean one statement of support the week before TAMU and this whole thing wouldn't have blown up the way it did.
I don't think Joe was responsible for the leaks, I think it was big mouth boosters trying to force his hand.
ETA: I still believe Jimbo would have come if the money was right. But I'm glad we aren't paying him 6-7 mil a year.
I won't speak to the story that F King quashed the whole thing, but if that is true, big donors are going to reallocate some of their university contributions to even more TAF donations to teach his arse a lesson. IF the story is true.
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:08 pm to CBandits82
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Get out of here, the adults are discussing.
Well then perhaps there hasn't been enough time for me, because it pains me to no end to watch our fans trash a good coach and a decent man. If you think the "Fire Les!" crowd was thinking past Jimbo - much less, "do we trust Alleva with this hire?" - you give them more credit than I do.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:10 pm to CBandits82
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Joe is the fall guy here, which is ok with me considering the leak that got out, but King killed the deal in the end.
Ah ok.
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I would of wanted to take a risk to dare be great.
Herman could fail, but he also could be Urban 2.0.
A lot of us were willing to take the risk instead of settling with Miles another year.
That is a huge risk though. Urban had a much better resume when he went to UF than Herman does now. It feels like everyone is getting ahead of themselves with Herman.
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Our Athletic Department is completely separate from the University and makes a ton of money. With TAF on board LSU would not have paid a cent of the buyout.
Oh I am sure, but optics are very important in the state of Louisiana. I remember that from growing up there.
Thank you BTW for the answers.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:12 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm serious, those who wanted Miles gone were being irrational. You cannot expect irrational people to consider the consequences of their actions.
Sure I can. These are million dollar decisions. I tend to assume mature grownups are running athletic departments unless proven otherwise (like the Texas situation).
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:16 pm to Team Vote
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I mean one statement of support the week before TAMU and this whole thing wouldn't have blown up the way it did.
But wouldn't that have shut down any chance at Jimbo aka pissing off the big money boosters?
What still doesn't make sense to me is why a major booster would go rogue and leak something not true that could really hurt the program recruiting-wise if it didn't work out. I know that board member at Texas did the same thing with Saban, but he got crucified for it because that kind of shite doesn't fly.
Who would want to sabotage their own AD like that? Maybe some big booster has wanted Joe fired for a while so he set up Joe to fail?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:19 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Well then perhaps there hasn't been enough time for me, because it pains me to no end to watch our fans trash a good coach and a decent man.
I understand that. I would be in your position as a fan. Who can watch what happened to Tennessee, Texas, or Nebraska when they fired successful coaches and say "Sign me up for that!"?
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If you think the "Fire Les!" crowd was thinking past Jimbo - much less, "do we trust Alleva with this hire?" - you give them more credit than I do.
There was a LOT of confidence everything would work out on this forum prior to the game. That confidence is why I ask the question.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:22 pm to cardboardboxer
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But wouldn't that have shut down any chance at Jimbo aka pissing off the big money boosters?
Not if you play it right. Coaches get votes of confidence all the time that don't mean anything. Joe's people were talking to Jimbo's people, he could have communicated the job will be his if he wants it.
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What still doesn't make sense to me is why a major booster would go rogue and leak something not true that could really hurt the program recruiting-wise if it didn't work out. I know that board member at Texas did the same thing with Saban, but he got crucified for it because that kind of shite doesn't fly.
Rich people are used to getting what they want, they stop thinking about the consequences. You are familiar enough with this state to know that those in power can do incredibly irrational things.
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Who would want to sabotage their own AD like that? Maybe some big booster has wanted Joe fired for a while so he set up Joe to fail?
Joe is their patsy. His job is to kiss their arse in order to get their money (and he does that part very well) so they probably mostly like him.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:23 pm to cardboardboxer
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Why were so many LSU fans so confident in Joe making the right hire?
Seriously, bro?
I think most of us were pretty clear that unless he was going to bring in Jimbo that we were far from confident that Alleva could hire anyone better than Miles.
I don't know where you got the idea that so many LSU fans were so confident in Joe.
If Skip or Emmert were in charge of a coaching search, I'd feel a lot better.
As things stand now, we are likely to be back in this same spot a year or two from now. And any coach we try to lure is going to remember how Alleva hung Miles out to dry for two weeks.
There's a good chance Alleva leaves LSU before Miles does.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:25 pm to Team Vote
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Not if you play it right
Which again requires confidence in Joe that I don't think Joe has earned given previous situations.
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Rich people are used to getting what they want, they stop thinking about the consequences.
Yeah, that is why Texas is in a ditch right now.
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You are familiar enough with this state to know that those in power can do incredibly irrational things.
I get that people do irrational things, but why would so many people support them.....
wait a minute....
I think I just figured it out. This is like the Edwin Edwards situation.
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