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re: Serious question. No troll. Why did LSU Fans Have Confidence in Joe?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:25 pm to cardboardboxer
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:25 pm to cardboardboxer
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Sure I can.
Good lord, actually you cannot, you can maybe believe that they weren't being irrational.
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These are million dollar decisions. I tend to assume mature grownups are running athletic departments
First of all, who is running the dept? The AD? The president? The TAF? It's a power struggle, and when you have the rich loudmouths in the TAF throwing their weight around, it's hard to expect rationality. LSU is not exactly known as a well-oiled machine, and regarding...
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unless proven otherwise
...there is plenty of proof outside of Texas how irrational these decisions can be made sometimes.
Take the Chavis situation. Can you honestly tell me that was all quite rational on the LSU end? I mean I like giving the aggies a hard time and all, but letting Chavis go was a MAJOR blunder by the powers that be at LSU. If we can expect shenanigans like those, what makes me think that they will act rationally when it comes to the HC hire?
I agree with CBandit that it was probably Alexander that said we had to keep Miles due to money perception, but I think we just got lucky with his interceding in what could have been a disaster caused by impatient, irrational fans that weren't really thinking past, "[melt]Throw the goddam ball! [after 2-12 passing] Why aren't you running the goddam ball??? Arrrrgh! [/melt]"
Thank god the aggies rolled over for us, or we could have been frickED. Word is that the decision didn't come until the 3rd quarter.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:26 pm to cardboardboxer
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That is a huge risk though. Urban had a much better resume when he went to UF than Herman does now. It feels like everyone is getting ahead of themselves with Herman.
We have tons of talent and are mediocre in the West. Miles gets paid 4 million a year. We have been declining since 1/9/12.
Not to mention the offense is dog shite awful. On top of all of this is the stubbornness of Miles in that he refuses to change. It was time and a lot of fans were ready.
2016 is gonna be a shite show. Miles has zero margin for error. Any little frick up and the fans will chastise him in Tiger Stadium for it. If we drop one early its gonna be nasty.
It was a slap in the face to a lot of people when Alleva came on and said he is the coach. A lot of us were ready for new blood in the program. It was like having a present under the Christmas tree for weeks and on Christmas morning your dad says frick YOU and throws the present in the dumpster.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:27 pm to BrerTiger
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I don't know where you got the idea that so many LSU fans were so confident in Joe.
Because of this:
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I think most of us were pretty clear that unless he was going to bring in Jimbo that we were far from confident that Alleva could hire anyone better than Miles.
I don't disagree with you that LSU fans doubted a hire other than Jimbo, but I remember very clearly that LSU fans REALLY wanted a change even though Jimbo was a moonshot. It doesn't add up.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:28 pm to cardboardboxer
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Hence supporting the firing of Les was a defacto vote of confidence in Joe.
Negative.
It was an assumption that they wouldn't fire Miles unless TAF or other high ups at LSU had Jimbo all locked up.
Very few were assuming that Alleva on his own was capable of making it happen.
This whole thing hinged on Jimbo. And when it leaked out that Jimbo wasn't coming, they abruptly decided to let Miles stay.
In the end, beating A&M mattered a lot less than Jimbo walking away from the offer. If Jimbo said yes, they would have fired Miles in a heartbeat.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:30 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Take the Chavis situation. Can you honestly tell me that was all quite rational on the LSU end? I mean I like giving the aggies a hard time and all, but letting Chavis go was a MAJOR blunder by the powers that be at LSU. If we can expect shenanigans like those, what makes me think that they will act rationally when it comes to the HC hire?
I didn't want to say it because I didn't want to derail the thread, but yeah how Chavis was handled (since it is obvious him and Les still like each other) is the exact reason why I am asking how anyone can have any confidence in Joe in these situations. It seems like he stumbles through things like a blind man in a dark room.
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Thank god the aggies rolled over for us, or we could have been frickED.
You are welcome I guess.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:31 pm to CBandits82
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Not to mention the offense is dog shite awful. On top of all of this is the stubbornness of Miles in that he refuses to change. It was time and a lot of fans were ready.
This.
A message needed to be sent.
TAF and Alleva did it in a highly unprofessional manner. They should have kept shite sealed up tight like UGA did and then not made anything public unless they were absolutely certain they had their new man locked up.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:31 pm to cardboardboxer
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But he isn't the slam dunk Smart is. Herman hasn't even been on the job a year
Lol wut
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:32 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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First of all, who is running the dept? The AD? The president? The TAF? It's a power struggle, and when you have the rich loudmouths in the TAF throwing their weight around, it's hard to expect rationality
There you have it.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:37 pm to CBandits82
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We have tons of talent and are mediocre in the West. Miles gets paid 4 million a year. We have been declining since 1/9/12.
First of all, four million isn't a lot given what Les has accomplished. So I don't get that argument.
Secondly, if the problem is the decline due to offense then why wasn't CAM in the crosshairs instead of Les? Why throw out the baby with the bath water?
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A lot of us were ready for new blood in the program.
I remember you saying it had to happen before the game. Would you have still wanted it if Jimbo wasn't coming and Herman stayed in Houston? Seems like it could have gotten bad quickly.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:37 pm to BrerTiger
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This whole thing hinged on Jimbo. And when it leaked out that Jimbo wasn't coming, they abruptly decided to let Miles stay.
Maybe, but the hype train was way bigger than that. The announcers in our game couldn't stop talking about Les leaving, but I don't think they mentioned LSU getting Jimbo once. There was a real disconnect.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:38 pm to cardboardboxer
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how anyone can have any confidence in Joe in these situations.
I don't think anyone does really. I think he's more of a figurehead/fall guy and the TAF is running the show up until the point where the actual University has to get involved.
But that DC fumble just proved to me how irrational the whole thing can be, so I try not to try to make sense of it all. It just seems more emotional than it should be.
I also happen to remember how the whole Arnsparger thing went down, then I watched as not only did they try Archer, but went full retard with Hallman. I haven't ever recovered my faith in the system since. Watching our DC leave was like getting the shingles years after having the chicken pox.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:38 pm to johnzorback
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Lol wut
Smart will make a lot of UGA fans happy. I can't see LSU fans being happy with a guy like Rich Rod.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:50 pm to CBandits82
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TAF is full of power brokers. This thing was done until King killed it to avoid the media coverage about LSU spending 15 million on a buyout where as the academic side is hurting which is bullshite because the buyout would of been paid with private money.
I think King was definitely worried about the perception after he went crying poor and talking about bankruptcy not so long ago.
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Joe fricked up in leaking this whole thing weeks ago.
I doubt it was Joe who leaked it. But whoever did is an idiot. While it was a gold mine for the media and Chicken, it was as you say a massive fail for LSU.
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we are still stuck with good ole likeable Les
Cholly Miles is real, y'all.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:52 pm to CBandits82
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It was a slap in the face to a lot of people when Alleva came on and said he is the coach
The adults would have waited for the end of the regular season at least to evaluate the coach and the potential replacements.
Alleva never should have had to do that. That's the irrationality to which I was referring.
...You did say this was the adult table, didn't you?
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:52 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But that DC fumble just proved to me how irrational the whole thing can be, so I try not to try to make sense of it all.
Looking back, it was so appropriate that Miles and Chief got to have their big lovefest right before kickoff.
Chavis basically declared war on Alleva and I don't think Miles blames him one bit.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:55 pm to cardboardboxer
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Who can watch what happened to Tennessee, Texas, or Nebraska when they fired successful coaches and say "Sign me up for that!"?
Exactly.
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There was a LOT of confidence everything would work out on this forum prior to the game.
Yeah, LSU fans aren't usually so confident, right?
More irrationality.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:57 pm to BrerTiger
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Chavis basically declared war on Alleva and I don't think Miles blames him one bit.
Yeah it seems like Les really misses Chavis and vice versa. That is why I didn't want yall firing Les for selfish reasons, we would lose Chavis maybe when Les got hired elsewhere.
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Posted on 12/2/15 at 4:57 pm to cardboardboxer
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The announcers in our game couldn't stop talking about Les leaving, but I don't think they mentioned LSU getting Jimbo once.
It was already known prior to kickoff that Jimbo said no. That news broke Saturday morning.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:00 pm to cardboardboxer
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Secondly, if the problem is the decline due to offense then why wasn't CAM in the crosshairs instead of Les?
Cam is in Alleva's crosshairs. Thus, the lack of a contract extension. His contract is up in March 2016 and unlikely to be renewed.
Miles is not going to fire him on his own. They go back too far.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 5:01 pm to BrerTiger
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Looking back, it was so appropriate that Miles and Chief got to have their big lovefest right before kickoff. Chavis basically declared war on Alleva and I don't think Miles blames him one bit.
Yep, all that said, watching Chavis have to deal with the offense only putting up 7 points for him to work with was giving me no end of entertainment. I downright spilled my drink laughing at that fumble at the LSU 6.
...but I digress, we're discussing LSU's shortcomings in this thread.
I don't think very many LSU fans at all have any confidence in Alleva - I don't think they ever have, really. I think they blame Alleva for Miles in the first place.
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