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Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:18 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:18 pm to WG_Dawg
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Paul Rhoades did MUCH better than Chizik did at ISU, and did it quickly too. The whole "nobody can win at ISU" argument doesn't hold any weight at all considering what the guy immediately following chizik did there.
And you don't think that has anything to do with the foundation that Chiz helped put there? I really really like Paul Rhoads and certainly am not trying to take anything away from him. But I have to think that Chiz's decision to start from scratch and build the program from the ground up has something to do with the later success of ISU. How many freshmen and sophomores and was it he played in his first two seasons? I don't know the exact numbers, but it was a ton. Rhoads got those guys as juniors and seniors.
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Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:29 pm to APIEE
I think we can all agree that Chizik still has some things left to prove. AU fans want him to get respect from the media and conference foe.
To do that, Gene has got to dispell the notion that he had a one hit wonder/lightening in a bottle/flash in the pan type season in '10.
He's got to be able to put a dominating product on the field on offense and defense every year. IMO, he should be able to do just that this season with a favorable schedule, talent galore, great special teams, experienced players, plenty of depth, and a QB that's been at AU for 4 yrs.
To do that, Gene has got to dispell the notion that he had a one hit wonder/lightening in a bottle/flash in the pan type season in '10.
He's got to be able to put a dominating product on the field on offense and defense every year. IMO, he should be able to do just that this season with a favorable schedule, talent galore, great special teams, experienced players, plenty of depth, and a QB that's been at AU for 4 yrs.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:31 pm to WG_Dawg
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Paul Rhoades did MUCH better than Chizik did at ISU, and did it quickly too.
Rhoads is a hell of a coach. Plus being a good coach is not just winning the Ring that is bullshite. A good coach can build a program and take them to new heights but never win a championship. To win it all you need a combination of great talent, good coaching, facilities, recruiting and just a pinch of luck. Look at Saban, everyone admits he is the best coach and he does not win a National Title every year. For Bama to win this year, Rhodes at ISU had to knock of Okie Lite (luck).
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:35 pm to RT1941
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I think we can all agree that Chizik still has some things left to prove. AU fans want him to get respect from the media and conference foe.
I 100% agree
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He's got to be able to put a dominating product on the field on offense and defense every year. IMO, he should be able to do just that this season with a favorable schedule, talent galore, great special teams, experienced players, plenty of depth, and a QB that's been at AU for 4 yrs.
We do not have a QB that has been at Au for 4 years. I think we can all agree Mosely is not a very good QB. Period. We will have a first year starter again
And we do not have experienced players. 76% of our team are underclassmen. Very few Juniors and very few seniors.
And favorable schedule? Seriously? Compared to who?
I agree he will have to end the "one hit wonder" tag. I personally think it is incorrect but I am certainly somewhat biased. He has done a lot with what he has been up against.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:37 pm to Tackle74
Always liked Rhoades. just a matter of time that a big program grabs him. He seems to like Ames alot though.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:49 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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This is an opinion and holds no weight in this discussion
It's more fact than opinion. Look at the black and white numbers Chizik has put up his whole coaching career and tell me has done something special outside of 2010.
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While he did have Cam, NO COACH WINS A BSC TITLE , WITHOUT TALENT
Duh, good thing the argument wasn't "Was auburn talented in 2010". My point is look at the coaches above him on this list; Saban, Richt, Spurrier, etc. All those guys have proven MULTIPLE times what they're capable of. It's not like Richt has ONLY been successful with Greene and Pollack, or Spurrier ONLY with Wuerffel, or Saban ONLY with whoever. They've proven that they can win under different circumstances.
Chizik hasn't. He's proven that he can only win when he has the best player in the country and that's about it.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:50 pm to joeyb147
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And Les Miles is an offensive coach and his offenses have sucked for multiple years, yet all I hear from the LSU fans is that it's the OC's fault (Kragthorpe). And Richt is an offensive coach, yet all I hear from all the UGA fans is that Mike Bobo sucks arse.
Wrong 3/5 of LSU best offense HAE come under Miles. Now you can say we HAE a shotty qb the last 2-3 years , but 05,06 ,07 an 11 ranked in the top 6 for rushing and passing Tds. So you're wrong
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:51 pm to APIEE
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And you don't think that has anything to do with the foundation that Chiz helped put there?
Maybe a small, small bit, but that is SUCH a loser's argument. If Rhoads was just winning with Chizik's players......why couldn't Chizik win with Chizik's players?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:52 pm to RT1941
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Les Miles has had shitty QB's, not shitty offenses.
Exactly. When Flynn was playing qb in 07 , it was the best offensive ( productive wise) in LSU history. So yeah Joey b is wrong
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:55 pm to WG_Dawg
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Chizik hasn't. He's proven that he can only win when he has the best player in the country and that's about it.
That depends on what you mean by "Win". Yea Richt can take the most talented team to a 10 win year and lose to at least one or two teams that he shouldn't. But can he take the most talented team to win all the games. NO. No he can't.
Chizik has had one season where he had the most talented team. Where did he go with it?
You can not possibly think we had the talent in 2009 or last year to do more than what he did with his team. On the other hand, Richt has FAILED miserably with so much talent, its not even funny.
What game has Chizik lost since he came to Auburn that he should had won other than Kentucky in 2009? What games did he really fail in?
Then look at what games he won that he probably should not have won
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:57 pm to WG_Dawg
It's not like Chizik has had losing seasons, at Auburn. While I think Richt should be higher than Chizk those other coaches shouldn't. The reason I rank Richt higher is because he has sustained it longer at UGA. I don't hold titles that high in regard FROM YEAR TO YEAR, because teams needs the chips to fall their way to win a title. If you start out number 3 and #1&2 don't lose, how is that coaching's fault they don't get a title that year?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:00 pm to LanierSpots
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Yea Richt can take the most talented team to a 10 win year and lose to at least one or two teams that he shouldn't.
Ummmm, the most talented team where? In Georgia? Ok. In the SEC? No, we're about 3rd or 4th depending on time frame. The country? Not even close. So yeah...Richt has proven that he can take a pretty talented team and win 10 games every year, which is why he's ranked where he is on this list. He's also proven that he can win 10 games and go to BCS bowls with multiple players over different recruiting classes.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:00 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If you start out number 3 and #1&2 don't lose, how is that coaching's fault they don't get a title that year?
ISWYDT
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Wrong 3/5 of LSU best offense HAE come under Miles.
Your offense sucked donkey dick in 2010 & 2009 yet every fricking LSU fan blamed Kragthorpe instead of Miles. Miles is an offensive coach. Why does he not get the blame?
quote:And whose fault is that? Miles didn't even recruit a QB in 06. Landed one in 07 & one in 08. And the highest ranked QB he landed at LSU, ever, ended up being a WR whose production has gotten worse since he's been on campus.
Now you can say we HAE a shotty qb the last 2-3 years ,
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:02 pm to WG_Dawg
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Ummmm, the most talented team where?
UGA had the second ranked recruiting classes behind USC in the Nation in the 2000's.
Look it up, I don't have a link.
For that you got? A lot of 10 win seasons with no Championship. Not one.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:03 pm to joeyb147
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Your offense sucked donkey dick in 2010 & 2009 yet every fricking LSU fan blamed Kragthorpe instead of Miles. Miles is an offensive coach. Why does he not get the blame?
I already had this argument with them. It only applies to Chizik and our shitty defense.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:22 pm to joeyb147
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Your offense sucked donkey dick in 2010 & 2009 yet every fricking LSU fan blamed Kragthorpe instead of Miles. Miles is an offensive coach. Why does he not get the blame?
Where the frick have you been ? "Every fricking LSU fan" blaming Kragthorpe ? bullshite - alot of fans blaming JJ - yes
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:22 pm to joeyb147
4/5 of the top LSU passing and rushing td are Miles coached team. Sorry you're wrong. We weren't as good in 09 because we were starting a true soph and we won 11 games in 2010 so let me know when Chizik wins 11 games and his defense sucks again. Sorry Joey your wrong here.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:24 pm to joeyb147
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And whose fault is that? Miles didn't even recruit a QB in 06. Landed one in 07 & one in 08. And the highest ranked QB he landed at LSU, ever, ended up being a WR whose production has gotten worse since he's been on campus.
You're reaching here. If our offense has sucks so horribly in 2009, how did we destroy that great chizik def?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:26 pm to LanierSpots
It's because it holds no water. In 05,06,07,11 our offenses were good. So you're wrong
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