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Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:51 pm to geauxaddai
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:51 pm to geauxaddai
Dooley too high.
ETA
lol wut?
ETA
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"the win over Vanderbilt that really shouldn’t have been a win"
lol wut?
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Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:52 pm to gatorhata9
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No. Chizik got a once in a lifetime type player. He's arguably the best player to ever play at your school. He hasn't done anything without him. Ever. Richt has proven he can win without certain players over the course of 11 years. There have been ups and downs but he's been pretty consistent for the most part.
When has he not had players? Richt had the second best recruiting classes in the 2000's beside USC. And did nothing with them. More talent than anyone and he did squat..
Look at the damn schedule you guys have had. And he still can't even get to the SEC Championship game because he can't beat USCe at home or Boise in their own state.
Sorry, he will not get the job done no mater how much talent you give him
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:52 pm to LanierSpots
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Chizik did something with his talent. Richt has not. Look at what he did last year with the damn schedule and talent he had. No way. No he can't even win a simple bowl game.
Pretty sure he would have beaten Virginia or Northwestern.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:53 pm to Aman
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Pretty sure he would have beaten Virginia or Northwestern.
What the hell makes you think that. He could not beat UCF
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:54 pm to LanierSpots
Coaches are all competing for a National Championship. That is the bottom line. Those that have a ring are a success, those without a ring are not.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:54 pm to jackmanusc
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jackmanusc
what, you dont think that you having to play the preseason #1 and Georgia not having to play them or Bama isn't setting up USCw for success?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:56 pm to LanierSpots
In my mind this is the year that the rubber really hits the road on Chizik. Year one we're dealing with the immediate dumpster fire that Tubs left us, and last year we were having to deal with the ramifications of Tubs phoning it in on the recruiting trail his last two years (I am not going to lament winning 8 games with the youngest team in the country playing arguably the toughest schedule in the country).
This year will show what he is as a coach. The team are his guys. We are young but we do have a year of SEC experience under our belt. We are talented. The schedule sets up as well as it can in any one given year, and we get LSU, Arky, TxAM, UGA all at home. 9+ wins and I am a believer. 8 and I don't know what I will think. 7- and I will be completely all out.
This year will show what he is as a coach. The team are his guys. We are young but we do have a year of SEC experience under our belt. We are talented. The schedule sets up as well as it can in any one given year, and we get LSU, Arky, TxAM, UGA all at home. 9+ wins and I am a believer. 8 and I don't know what I will think. 7- and I will be completely all out.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:56 pm to LanierSpots
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NO they didn't . Stop making shite up.
Alright. I was going off memory. I looked it up. Iowa State had winning records in 2 of 3 years before Chiz got there (and they had winning records in 5 of 7 years per-Chiz).
I'm not slamming Chiz so don't get so offended. I just think we new another year or two before we know if he is his horrid record, his average record, or his phenomenal season. Not enough to make a firm opinion.
Ftw - I AM slamming Mullen. He sucks. He thinks he is a better coach than everyone else thinks he is, and he hasn't gotten anything approaching the offer that Franklin will get if he goes 6-6 (in fact, Mullen has accepted the only decent HC offer he ever got - the one to MSU).
Posted on 5/8/12 at 12:57 pm to LanierSpots
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Look at the damn schedule you guys have had. And he still can't even get to the SEC Championship game because he can't beat USCe at home or Boise in their own state.
Who played LSU in the SECCG last year?
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Sorry, he will not get the job done no mater how much talent you give him
He's gotten the job done before. 2 SECC, multiple top 5 finishes. He just hasn't gotten that lucky break that a lot of teams seem to get.
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When has he not had players? Richt had the second best recruiting classes in the 2000's beside USC. And did nothing with them. More talent than anyone and he did squat..
Did you read my post at all? I never said we didn't have players. We haven't had great players every year. You try winning with Joe Cox and Joe Tereshinski.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:00 pm to gatorhata9
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Did you read my post at all? I never said we didn't have players. We haven't had great players every year. You try winning with Joe Cox and Joe Tereshinski.
Yea but what about Stafford, AJ Green, Knowshon, Murray, etc etc. That was just two players.
We know Richt would not have won with Cam because he said he would play him at TE. LOL.
Chizik took over a very talent depleted team that was all screwed up. Had a very successful year with it then won the National Championship the next year with a 14-0 season in the hardest division in football.
Richt?
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Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:05 pm to beatbammer
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His teams still won 8 games in both years. In arguably the toughest division in football at those times.
Outside of 2010, the man is 7-9 in the conference with 4 of those seven wins against the Mississippi schools. That puts him at 0-6 against the big three in the "toughest division" in football those other two seasons. I hear the 8 wins a lot, but that does not really tell the true story.
You can't throw away 2010 and I think he gets credit for keeping that ship on course, but what I posted above is why he is not ranked higher on these lists. He has to prove that he can be a consistent contender to win the division before he gets moved higher. If he has a good year this year and follows it up with another good year next year he will get more respect, but one good season and 5 below average seasons does not show he can be a consistent winning head coach.
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Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:07 pm to LanierSpots
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Yea but what about Stafford, AJ Green, Knowshon, Murray, etc etc. That was just two players.
Not even close to the player that Cam was/is. He is a once in a lifetime talent. We've had one of those at UGA, Herschel. We'll never have a player that good again. Cam changed that entire team. Fairley was the perfect compliment on that side of the ball. It was the perfect storm. What about that do you not understand? Cam would've made every team he played for an immediate nat'l title contender.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:08 pm to gatorhata9
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We haven't had great players every year. You try winning with Joe Cox and Joe Tereshinski.
We won 12 games and took 08 Florida (one of the best teams of the last 25 years) to the wire with John Parker Wilson at QB.
Also, you don't find it problematic that you don't have great players every year despite having consistent top 10 or top 5 recruiting classes under Richt?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:09 pm to LanierSpots
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Saban
Miles
CSS
Chizik
Richt
Everyone else.
No way you can justify putting Richt above Chizik
No way you can justify putting Franklin & Pinkel above Gene either.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:12 pm to Robot Santa
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We won 12 games and took 08 Florida (one of the best teams of the last 25 years) to the wire with John Parker Wilson at QB.
Joe Cox was functionally retarded and we didn't have a defense in any of those years. (Willie sucked)
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Also, you don't find it problematic that you don't have great players every year despite having consistent top 10 or top 5 recruiting classes under Richt?
I do.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:13 pm to RT1941
Franklin's sample size is too small to warrant him any ranking other than 'too soon to tell.'
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:16 pm to gatorhata9
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Joe Cox was functionally retarded and we didn't have a defense in any of those years. (Willie sucked)
Who was your head coach, QB, and defensive coordinator in 2010 when y'all went 6-7?
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Just kidding... I really do know. 
)Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:16 pm to gatorhata9
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Not even close to the player that Cam was/is. He is a once in a lifetime talent. We've had one of those at UGA, Herschel. We'll never have a player that good again. Cam changed that entire team. Fairley was the perfect compliment on that side of the ball. It was the perfect storm. What about that do you not understand? Cam would've made every team he played for an immediate nat'l title contender.
I understand it fully. Not sure how you can deny that Richt has failed as far as taking his team as far as his talent can.
UGA under him has been the biggest underachiever with the biggest arrest record. His record against his rivals is not equal to the talent he has had.
How do we measure how good a coach is?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:20 pm to beatbammer
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Who was your head coach, QB, and defensive coordinator in 2010 when y'all went 6-7?
First year starting QB, who performed beyond expectations.
First year defensive coordinator under a new scheme.
What do you want me to say here?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:20 pm to gatorhata9
Fair enough. Richt probably needed a mean SOB like Grantham to save his arse. He's just too nice. I have always gotten the impression that his players like him but they aren't scared of getting on his bad side. Kind of like Mack Brown.
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