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re: Right now would be a good time for Saban to speak out against the rebel flag
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:52 am to CrimsonCoast
Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:52 am to CrimsonCoast
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Educate me.
Let's take it offline, I don't want to derail the board and stir feathers.
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 8:59 am to higgs_boson
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Also, SC is in the shite because they started flying the flag over the capital in 1962..
from 1876 - present day, South Carolina has had 36 Democrat Governors and 5 Republican Governors. The Governor of SC was a Democrat for 100 consecutive years from 1876 - 1975. If that party was so progressive and in favor of equal rights, why did one of those governors not take the stand against the flag? It took a Republican governor to decide to take a stand.
This should likely be on the political board, but it is beyond time for those who blame republicans for lack of equality to look at the areas of the country that struggle to offer equality and really look at which party has been in power in those areas. Those are the real debates needed. Not these false debates we've had lately.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:03 am to bamasgot13
The rainbow flag disturbs me as well as the site of 2 men kissing each other but you don't see me asking that flag to be banned.
I'll fly my flag they can fly theirs.
I'll fly my flag they can fly theirs.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:05 am to bamasgot13
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from 1876 - present day, South Carolina has had 36 Democrat Governors and 5 Republican Governors. The Governor of SC was a Democrat for 100 consecutive years from 1876 - 1975. If that party was so progressive and in favor of equal rights, why did one of those governors not take the stand against the flag? It took a Republican governor to decide to take a stand.
This is especially hilarious, considering the great shift of southerns from Southern Democrats to Republicans right around the time of the Civil Rights movement, and then the "Southern Strategy" of Reagan.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:06 am to Easternrio
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rainbow flag
Read an article about the guy who designed that- was pretty interesting. It started with 8 stripes but then he went to 6 for mass production. He'd been a medic in the military and eventually ended in San Fran - was friends with Harvey Milk.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:06 am to bamasgot13
I do not quite see your point. The flag was not put over the statehouse until 1962. This is public record. And it was a Democratic Congress that approved it, but none of that changes the fact that it was not flown there until the 1960's.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 9:07 am
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:10 am to CrimsonBoz
quote:I have a feeling that you don't have a feel of the difference between perception and reality, connotation vs denotation.
The CSA (Confederate States of America), in 1861 used the Stars and Bars Flag, then in 1863 the Stainless Banner, then in 1865 the Bloodstained Banner. (Look them up if you don't know)
And I quote "The battle flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election" Dr. William Donald, University of Florida, EXPERT on Confederate symbols.
Please educate yourself and understand what the Confederate flag IS and what it ISN'T.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:12 am to CrimsonBoz
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So you can't tell the difference between these so called groups (KKK, white supremacists), and a war memorial for fallen soldiers. Give me a break.
I am only referring to the SC flag--- not monuments to those who died in a tragic war. There is a substantial difference between a monument erected over one hundred years ago and a flag that was flown during the heights of the Civil Rights Movement as a political statement.
Again, though, this is why coaches should probably say nothing. Any comment leaves you open to sensationalists saying you are against monuments for fallen soldiers...
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:15 am to arcalades
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I have a feeling that you don't have a feel of the difference between perception and reality, connotation vs denotation.
Because I call out people who misidentify a flag/banner? If certain groups want to shape something into what it ISN'T because they don't bother to research the topic that is their business. I will not stand by and let them misidentify history because it fits their political bill. Perception is reality and that is exactly why this identification is so dangerous.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:16 am to higgs_boson
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I am only referring to the SC flag--- not monuments to those who died in a tragic war. There is a substantial difference between a monument erected over one hundred years ago and a flag that was flown during the heights of the Civil Rights Movement as a political statement.
Again, though, this is why coaches should probably say nothing. Any comment leaves you open to sensationalists saying you are against monuments for fallen soldiers...
I totally agree.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:19 am to CrimsonBoz
My mom has two flowers in her garden called rebel roses. I may need to cut em down, now that I know their names.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:35 am to lefty08
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You realize the stars and stripes are offensive to some people as well right?
You know the difference so quit acting like you don't
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:37 am to StopRobot
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So you can't tell the difference between these so called groups (KKK, white supremacists), and a war memorial for fallen soldiers. Give me a break.
Can you tell the difference between a flag raised to memorialize fallen soldiers and a flag raised as a defiant "F you" against civil rights?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:42 am to SavageOrangeJug
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Right now would be a good time for politically correct punks like you to shut the hell up about other people's heritage and mind your own business.
My thoughts, exactly!!
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:46 am to JCinBAMA
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Shows how much you know, Huntsville is one of the smartest cities in the world.
Shows how much YOU know...
Huntsville
New Orleans (you know, in Louisiana...)
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:46 am to StopRobot
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Can you tell the difference between a flag raised to memorialize fallen soldiers and a flag raised as a defiant "F you" against civil rights?
Usually yes. :)
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:53 am to bamasgot13
Actually, the parties viewpoints changed around the Civil Rights Era in the mid 1950's. The Republican Party was created in 1856, when the Whig Party collapsed, to stop the spread of slavery. The official excuse most state legislatures gave when they seceded was that a Republican,Lincoln, was elected. Also, after the war ended the Republicans sent the military in to make sure Republicans, and Freedmen, gained political positions in the South. The military left the South with the Compromise of 1876, and most Southern states were staunchly Democrat, until 1948 when, after WWII and seeing Hitler's racism firsthand, the Democratic Party entered Civil Rights into their party's platform for the Election of 1948. Many "Southern" Democrats left the party at this time and formed the "Dixiecrats" in which Strom Thurmond, from the state of SC, ran for President. In the 50's the Dixiecrats collapsed and many "Southern" Democrats began to join the current Republican Party, although some older more powerful politicians stayed Democratic. Finally, in the late 70's and early 80's with these older Democrats retiring did we see the Republican Party take control of the South for the first time since Reconstruction. All this said, the views of the current Democratic Party hasn't been the views of the governors of SC, or any other Southern states, many years, if any, at all.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 10:03 am
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:54 am to TriumphTiger
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Getting the technical name of it correct is a distraction from what it stands for
More than that, it's a form of Political Correctness.
I'm sick and tired of people telling me my language is wrong. frick 'em, I'll call that damned flag whatever the frick I want to call it.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:57 am to Crimson Legend
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Nick Saban is a brilliant man and a revolutionary. He knows he can't use up his political capital on the flag issue if he's going to win on his first goal - transgender equality. He will let the rest of us fight the battle on the flag while he quietly invites people to speak to the team like Caitlyn Jenner, RuPaul, and Madeline Albright (who hasn't yet realized she's transgender and is running out of time).
The ultimate goal will make Prince his offensive coordinator and assistant head coach, and just confuse the hell out of all of us.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 9:58 am to Chazzy McRamzee
Frick you and Frick Saban
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