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re: Rant's opinion on whether Saban's politicing actually got BAMA...

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Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:29 pm to
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Les Miles atrocious play callin didn't help him.



Who do you think limited the playcalling more, Miles or Jefferson?
Posted by hwnd
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:29 pm to
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Yeah, I don't think there was any danger of that happening at any point.

It's impressive how Jefferson spent 4 years playing football here and almost never showed an ounce of leadership.
He looked a bit lost, yeah. But LSU just seemed to thrive on big plays that year. They would come out sometimes sluggish (but still dominating), but once they got a single big play, it was over.
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:31 pm to
Well, we had no identity on offense........for years.
Posted by hwnd
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:32 pm to
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Look this game shouldn't have never happened
I agree. That's why it did.
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:32 pm to
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Great logic.
I see you are just a jackass, period. How bout this for logic. You assholes didn't win your conference or SECCG in which LSU had to play, thus, playin an extra game. You don't win your conference number 2 team or not. End of story, but you got handed a free pass by the media, a first. So stick that in your logical arse.
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Posted by hwnd
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:34 pm to
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Well, we had no identity on offense........for years.
But lawdy DEM RBs.

Alabama can say the same thing really. It wasn't until just lately that we've had a QB that can actually throw a ball further than 10 yards.
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:34 pm to
Miles of course. Remember Jordan ratted him out the next day sayin they were supposed to run a more wide open scheme. But for whatever reason they abandoned it and went back to the basic, conservative crap.
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Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:35 pm to
Honetbadger and the special teams got them going, but none of that happened in this game. This was a complete snoozefest.
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Posted by hwnd
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:39 pm to
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I see you are just a jackass, period. How bout this for logic. You assholes didn't win your conference or SECCG in which LSU had to play, thus, playin an extra game. You don't win your conference number 2 team or not. End of story, but you got handed a free pass by the media, a first. So stick that in your logical arse.
Someone needs less Androgel.

Not to be a "logical arse" here, but winning your conference or division isn't a requirement for playing in the BCSNCG. Just saying.
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:40 pm to
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But lawdy DEM RBs.


Yeah, we've been fortunate with RB's, and they've gotten better every year for the last few years.
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:50 pm to
Look you people got in. Voted in by the media. A first like I said. Just take it and run with it, but don't tell me you don't need to win your conference and all that bullshite.

Like I said earlier LSU had eveything to lose and y'all everything to win by the media letting y'all back in. And if I'm telling a smart alleck arse to GFH, that would be the norm, I don't need any calming down.
Posted by hwnd
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 4:52 pm to
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Look you people got in.
YOU PEOPLE?! WTF, RACIST.

But seriously, it is what it is. Alabama was, at the time, the second best team in the country behind LSU. That year LSU and Alabama were light years ahead of every other team. Voters got it right in my humble, biased opinion.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:06 pm to
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it is what it is. Alabama was, at the time, the second best team in the country behind LSU


I can't argue the "it is what it is" point of view. But the idea the "best two" teams are to be included I do disagree with... voters had no such compunctions about leaving Florida out of the 2009 season BCS NCG... and IMO no reasonable person thought they weren't the second best team.

The BCS came along to make money and to prevent split NCs... part of that second part was to give the team who didn't have a shot their fair chance. I know this is a rabbit hole argument that Bama fans won't agree with... but there's never really been an effort to include the "best" team from year to year.
Posted by hwnd
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:09 pm to
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I can't argue the "it is what it is" point of view. But the idea the "best two" teams are to be included I do disagree with... voters had no such compunctions about leaving Florida out of the 2009 season BCS NCG... and IMO no reasonable person thought they weren't the second best team.

I actually agree with you here. All in all, the polling is subjective and the selections are probably based on which two "good" teams will drive in the most revenue in the NCG. I think there was a lesson learned about the LSU/Bama NCG, as it had the lowest ratings of any NCG (if I remember correctly).
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:11 pm to
yep. The reason for going to a playoff format.
Posted by MrSEC
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:24 pm to
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You a-holes didn't win your conference or SECCG


Which was never a prerequisite. See Nebraska 2001, who lost their championship game by 26 points, and Oklahoma 2003, who lost their championship game by 28 points.

Alabama lost a single game by a field goal. In overtime.

How is that a showstopper? Precedence had already been established. Seriously, how complicated is this?

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LSU had to play, thus, playin an extra game.


LSU played an extra game to win the SEC championship, not to play for the BCS National Championship. That had already been established TWO OTHER TIMES IN THE PAST; a team did not have to win its conference to play for a national championship.

You're applying requirements that simply never existed in the BCS. Sorry you've spent too much time on Tiger Rant to understand that.

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You don't win your conference number 2 team or not.


So, you want to apply a completely fabricated prerequisite to a scenario that never applied to any other program. The #2 team in the country, as chosen by the majority of the Harris Interactive Poll, the Coaches' Poll, and computer polls, should not be allowed to play for a national championship even though Oklahoma and Nebraska received the same opportunity after being blown out by 28 and 26 points, respectively? Sound logic.

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End of story, but you got handed a free pass by the media,


Credibility = POOF. Oklahoma State was #4 in the BCS at one point, and jumped a spot after the Hokies lost. And somehow Alabama got a free pass from "THE MEDIA", whoever the frick that is, because Oklahoma State didn't magically leapfrog Alabama? For what? Beating a shitty Sooner team? Good luck with that tin foil, pal.

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So stick that in your logical arse.


Posted by MrSEC
Buckeye, AZ
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:28 pm to
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I can't argue the "it is what it is" point of view. But the idea the "best two" teams are to be included I do disagree with... voters had no such compunctions about leaving Florida out of the 2009 season BCS NCG... and IMO no reasonable person thought they weren't the second best team.

The BCS came along to make money and to prevent split NCs... part of that second part was to give the team who didn't have a shot their fair chance. I know this is a rabbit hole argument that Bama fans won't agree with... but there's never really been an effort to include the "best" team from year to year.


I can agree with this.

But to just get all swollen-pussy about it and suggest Alabama got a magical "re-do" is just plain estrogen.

Posted by hwnd
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:29 pm to
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is just plain estrogen
This made me lol irl.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:32 pm to
Well they did get a mulligan and that was a first in the BCS era. As a LSU fan I felt like the team failed to show up like LSU did in the last three regular season games (of which they won two and should have probably won all three) and feel cheated... but I don't expect most gumps to empathize with that.
Posted by MrSEC
Buckeye, AZ
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:39 pm to
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Well they did get a mulligan and that was a first in the BCS era.


You mean facing the same opponent a team played during the regular season for the BCS National Championship? Sure, it was a first. It wasn't a mulligan. That's a bitch's way of explaining it.

LSU beat Alabama to win the SEC West and a chance to win the SEC title. LSU didn't beat Alabama to permanently eliminate Alabama from a berth into the BCS National Championship Game.

I don't understand why this is so cosmic to grasp. We're not talking theoretical physics here.

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As a LSU fan I felt like the team failed to show up like LSU did in the last three regular season games (of which they won two and should have probably won all three) and feel cheated... but I don't expect most gumps to empathize with that.


Well frick yeah, I understand. I get the anger over having to play the same team twice. I'm not completely devoid of understanding. But what if Oregon ended up playing LSU in the BCS National Championship Game and laid waste to the Tigers? Would it be the same attitude?

It is what it is. The two best teams just happened to play each other twice in the same season. It's really as simple as that. Congrats to LSU for hammering down during the regular season and congrats to Alabama for rocking out in the national championship game.

This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 5:40 pm
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