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re: Rant's opinion on whether Saban's politicing actually got BAMA...
Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:42 pm to molsusports
Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:42 pm to molsusports
That's the whole point. They got a mulligan, but arguing with biased people is useless. Like the MrSEC clown. There is no way in hell you can explain Alabama's good fortune to be back in other than the media giving them this gift. I don't care if the game was decided by 3 or 14. They still lost. You sit at home simple as that. But arguing with people like this is as painful as toothaches.
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:44 pm to MrSEC
quote:sound like you full of estrogen?
It wasn't a mulligan. That's a bitch's way of explaining it.
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Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:47 pm to MrSEC
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Sure, it was a first. It wasn't a mulligan. That's a bitch's way of explaining it.
I'm sorry you don't like the word. But I don't know why it is so offensive to you.
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LSU didn't beat Alabama to permanently eliminate Alabama from a berth into the BCS National Championship Game.
If LSU had lost to Arkansas and UGA then I'd agree Alabama should have been considered instead of LSU. Under pretty much any other circumstance I'd disagree.
The great thing about college football is it is about the importance of the regular season mattering. This is unlike pretty much every other sport where a single loss is not nearly so crushing. If you have a different philosophy regarding what makes college football so special and so unusual (if not unique) in this sense then we'll probably not agree.
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But what if Oregon ended up playing LSU in the BCS National Championship Game and laid waste to the Tigers? Would it be the same attitude?
Well yes. That would have been close to the same situation and also would have been unfair. The greatest irony of 2011 was LSU was punished for playing a great OOC schedule. If they didn't play and drub Oregon early in the year they probably would have gotten to play them (and presumably win) in the BCS NCG.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 5:51 pm to molsusports
This guy thinks we're upset over this. I'm not. I just don't think Alabama should hve been granted a redo. And besides, I wanted them to play OSU for another chance to get a skin on the wall of another Top opponent. Signifying the greatest season ever.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:05 pm to tubucoco
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There is no way in hell you can explain Alabama's good fortune to be back in other than the media giving them this gift.
The Cowboys lost to a 6-7 team and were dropped behind Alabama. Yeah. Some gift.
Let me know the next time a team loses to a sub-.500 team, but stays ranked above an LSU team with the same record. Matter of fact, I challenge you to show me one time that's ever occurred in the BCS era.
Seriously. Let me know.
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I don't care if the game was decided by 3 or 14. They still lost. You sit at home simple as that.
Oklahoma lost by 28 points and was able to play for the national championship. Nebraska lost by 26 points and was able to play for the national championship.
Alabama loses by 3 and shouldn't play for the title because LSU managed to earn one of the open spots in the championship game? Link to this rule, please?
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arguing with people like this is as painful as toothaches.
Sorry you randomly make shite up and hate getting called out for it. Somehow, it's my fault you pull strings of turd from your arse to entertain us.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:08 pm to MrSEC
quote:I believe they won their conference, but the media was in love with them and voted them in as well. But I do agree they shouldn't have played for the title. You pull stuff out your own arse. All I've said is Bama shouldn't have played for the title. All this other stuff you are blowin out of proportion is just garbage.
Oklahoma lost by 28
This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:16 pm to molsusports
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But I don't know why it is so offensive to you.
Because use of the word mulligan suggests Alabama didn't deserve to be in the championship game. Clearly, they deserved to be there. 21-0 proved it. Ignoring it and just throwing the word "mulligan" out there is what I said it is, a bitch's way of explaining the results.
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The great thing about college football is it is about the importance of the regular season mattering. This is unlike pretty much every other sport where a single loss is not nearly so crushing. If you have a different philosophy regarding what makes college football so special and so unusual (if not unique) in this sense then we'll probably not agree.
We absolutely agree. Personally, I hate going to a 4-team playoff for this very reason. But the reality is LSU and Alabama laid waste to every other team on their schedule besides one another, which resulted in an epic overtime thriller.
I'm not sure why Alabama should be punished for playing the #1 team in the country during the regular season, thus automatically eliminating them from one of the two open berths in the BCS national championship game. I've never seen a rule enforcing this nor an explanation for it other than Ranters screaming, "MULLIGAN!"
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The greatest irony of 2011 was LSU was punished for playing a great OOC schedule.
How was LSU punished? The Tigers clearly played a fierce schedule, went undefeated, and earned a berth in the BCS National Championship Game.
If you're suggesting that the team that played the tougher schedule should automatically be deemed the champion, I can't help you. We've seen the team that "didn't play anyone all year and barely beat anybody" destroy its opponent in the title game many, many times before.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:17 pm to MrSEC
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The Cowboys lost to a 6-7 team and were dropped behind Alabama. Yeah. Some gift.
Let me know the next time a team loses to a sub-.500 team, but stays ranked above an LSU team with the same record. Matter of fact, I challenge you to show me one time that's ever occurred in the BCS era.
That happens every year. Teams which were ranked highly by preseason rankings remain ranked above other teams which started the year ranked lower and with better records.
If you want a LSU specific example then that can even happen with a bad loss. 2003 USC for example lost to a Cal team that entered the game against USC 2-3 and was 3-5 two weeks after upsetting USC... it didn't stop voters from elevating them above LSU. They just blew that game up as a fluke and voted their preseason expectations.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:21 pm to tubucoco
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Oklahoma lost by 28
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I believe they won their conference,
You believe wrong. Oklahoma lost 35-7 against Kansas State in the Big 12 Championship Game and still got to play for the national championship.
Seriously, I'm trying not to be a dick right now, but I think you've completely confused yourself in this thread.
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You pull stuff out your own arse.
Link?
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:23 pm to MrSEC
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Because use of the word mulligan suggests Alabama didn't deserve to be in the championship game. Clearly, they deserved to be there. 21-0 proved it. Ignoring it and just throwing the word "mulligan" out there is what I said it is, a bitch's way of explaining the results.
I'm sorry the word offends you but if you believe in the enormous value of the regular season then you shouldn't have wanted a mulligan or rematch when there was another team that also deserved a shot.
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The great thing about college football is it is about the importance of the regular season mattering. This is unlike pretty much every other sport where a single loss is not nearly so crushing. If you have a different philosophy regarding what makes college football so special and so unusual (if not unique) in this sense then we'll probably not agree.
We absolutely agree. Personally, I hate going to a 4-team playoff for this very reason
yeah. that's the thing. 2006 LSU for example could have beaten anyone in a playoff but I would have been against them making the playoff because the regular season should matter and they should have been eliminated for losing in the regular season.
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How was LSU punished? The Tigers clearly played a fierce schedule, went undefeated, and earned a berth in the BCS National Championship Game.
They were punished by getting the same opponent twice. Rematches by top ten teams result in the team that lost the first game losing the rematch 50% of the time. That's a very telling statistic because the first game should be won by the better team most of the time. The fact that you don't see that borne out in the results indicates the rematch games result in somewhat atypical results (and probably indicate a best of three or something would be more fair).
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:26 pm to MrSEC
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You believe wrong.
Okay then. Oklahoma didn't win the regular season crown by steamrolling everyone in the Big 12?? I think you might wanna get your facts straight. Sure, they got upset by KState in the 'ship game probably from believing the hype from the media and not taking them seriously, but they were still considered the Big 12 champs.quote:you're the one that brought up the Oklahoma comparison, I just pointed out you are wrong. So I would think you are the one that's confused. This shite is useless anyways. You sound like one of those tards that really believes your own bullshite. Good day.
but I think you've completely confused yourself in this thread.
This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:45 pm to molsusports
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molsusports
I'm about to head out for the night, so no time to respond to everything...
I think we agree more than we disagree.
Bottom line is LSU and Alabama were the two best teams in the country in 2011. The system put those teams together to decide it all. Alabama won, LSU came up short. LSU wasn't punished for playing a difficult schedule and Alabama wasn't punished for being in the same league as the #1 team.
Happy Memorial Day Weekend to you.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:49 pm to tubucoco
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Okay then. Oklahoma didn't win the regular season crown by steamrolling everyone in the Big 12?? I think you might wanna get your facts straight. Sure, they got upset by KState in the 'ship game probably from believing the hype from the media and not taking them seriously, but they were still considered the Big 12 champs.
WUT?!?!?!?!
Oklahoma was destroyed by FOUR FREAKING TOUCHDOWNS in the Big 12 Championship Game, but everyone considered them the Big 12 Champs?
It's amazing how understanding you are for the Sooners, but fiercely hostile at the suggestion that Alabama was the best team in the country, but not the SEC champions in 2011.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 6:54 pm to tubucoco
quote:No dog in this fight but, Wut?
Okay then. Oklahoma didn't win the regular season crown by steamrolling everyone in the Big 12?? I think you might wanna get your facts straight. Sure, they got upset by KState in the 'ship game probably from believing the hype from the media and not taking them seriously, but they were still considered the Big 12 champs.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:06 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Y'all serious with that.
Wut?
Simple question. Are old are you?? I'm thinking about the same as the other person. Did Oklahoma go unbeaten in the regular season? That would make them conference champs, right? And they basically destroyed everyone in the Big 12 in the regular season, but went into the Big 12 title game thinkin they already had it won and got handed their asses. But that doesn't take away what they did in the regular season(still regular season conference champs) although I think USC should have played in the title game. But I guarantee you if they were to play best 2 out of 3. Oklahoma would destroy KState the next 2 games.
ask yourself why the media voted them in the BCS title game? Because they felt the same way. But only you biased Alabama people would try and downplay this because you got away with one yourselves. Now that it's been fully explained, I hope your lil brains can understand that.
This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:12 pm to tubucoco
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Did Oklahoma go unbeaten in the regular season? That would make them conference champs, right?
OH MY WHAT THE FRICK FULL OF FRICKING FRICK
So if 10-2 LSU beat a 12-0 Georgia team this year in the SEC Championship Game, we should all declare the Bulldogs 2013 SEC Champions?
WHAT IN THE GOOD FRICK OF HOLY DICK-STARVED FRICKS?!?!??!?!
This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:15 pm to MrSEC
Later man. I just explained myself clearer since you dolts are having such a hard time understanding what I said. Like I said it's useless debating with someone that is full of shite like you. And if Georgia went 12-0 wouldn't that make them regular season conference champs? I'm guessing you'll say no.
This post was edited on 5/26/13 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:24 pm to BIG DADDY 73
Your team won it. Get over it. Move on.
Posted on 5/26/13 at 7:25 pm to tubucoco
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And if Georgia went 12-0 wouldn't that make them regular season conference champs? I'm guessing you'll say no.
Since when does this distinction even exist?
Posted on 5/26/13 at 10:28 pm to tubucoco
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Okay then. Oklahoma didn't win the regular season crown by steamrolling everyone in the Big 12?? I think you might wanna get your facts straight. Sure, they got upset by KState in the 'ship game probably from believing the hype from the media and not taking them seriously, but they were still considered the Big 12 champs.
I believe that if you lose the conference championship game, you also lose the right to call yourself the conference champions.
I may be totally wrong here, though...
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