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re: Ranking the SEC schools academically?
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:20 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:20 pm to Irons Puppet
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I have heard that UA does not count special enrollment students toward those numbers. There are quit a few of those students allowed in order to increase enrollment.
And who did you hear this from?
It is possible to grow enrollment while simultaneously improving the qualifications of the incoming class. This is supported by the fact that UA has become more selective over time, not less selective. UA currently accepts 43.5% of applicants.
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Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:21 pm to tween the hedges
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These threads are all the same:
Vandy is a farshot #1 but they don't have any fans here to gloat about it.
TAMU, UF, UGA, and Mizzou and all bitch at each other to try and sort it out
AU and Bama get butthurt not being in the above group and pull all kind of stats out their asses.
The rest of the schools brag about the one elite program their school has and that it doesn't matter where you go, just the program.
That's a good summary. I could nitpick that I think you have Mizzou a little high (probably b/c of AAU status), but in general I think you nailed the dynamic.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:24 pm to Irons Puppet
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That's simply not true. Each year Bama has not only increased enrollment but also increased the average ACT scores and GPA of the incoming freshman class. And the average ACT score for an entering UA freshman is 25.6 not 22: LINK
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I have heard that UA does not count special enrollment students toward those numbers. There are quit a few of those students allowed in order to increase enrollment.
That 25.6 is not accurate. I posted a while back a breakdown of ACT scores by quartile at bama and there is no way it averages out to 25.6. Much closer to 23. I can find it again if need be.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:24 pm to NYCAuburn
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kind of ironic coming from a Bama fan
Not ironic at all. I made the distinction between the school and the fanbase. The Alabama fanbase with its large nutty sidewalk element is fair game for ridicule. The trashing of the school itself is different when hard data and facts are constantly being questioned or ignored. The only "trashing" of Auburn (the school) you'll ever hear from Bama people is in regards to recent SACS probation which is fair game. That is to say that I would expect to hear "trash" from Auburn people towards Alabama (the school) if Alabama was to go on SACS probation.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:27 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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That 25.6 is not accurate. I posted a while back a breakdown of ACT scores by quartile at bama and there is no way it averages out to 25.6. Much closer to 23. I can find it again if need be
Did you post ACT scores by quartile of the total enrollment or incoming freshmen?
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:28 pm to Govt Tide
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The only "trashing" of Auburn (the school) you'll ever hear from Bama people is in regards to recent SACS probation which is fair game
rightPosted on 1/3/13 at 2:29 pm to Govt Tide
I wouldn't trust the guy that told me what I posted previously on many topics, but academics at Alabama is one of them. Alabama is a good school, and you won't hear me argue with that unless I'm just trying to get a rise out of someone. I took his word as a UA graduate, an involved alumni, and an educator in the state.
Also, I feel like I've read that the two schools count their incoming class average test scores differently, but I'm having trouble finding the link on my phone. I'll try to remember to look it up when I get to a computer later.
Also, I feel like I've read that the two schools count their incoming class average test scores differently, but I'm having trouble finding the link on my phone. I'll try to remember to look it up when I get to a computer later.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:30 pm to sarc
It was by total enrollmement.
There was a higher percentage in the 18-21 group than one would expect.
But it broke it down by percentage of students (total enrollment) scoring in increments of 4 I believe.
There was a higher percentage in the 18-21 group than one would expect.
But it broke it down by percentage of students (total enrollment) scoring in increments of 4 I believe.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:31 pm to sarc
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Did you post ACT scores by quartile of the total enrollment or incoming freshmen?
I've wondered the same. Yet I'm sure we'll hear about how Auburn's 27 average is for the entire student body while Alabama's 25.6 is for this year's freshmen class. That's IF TM83 will even allow for the fact that the 25.6 for this year's freshmen class isn't totally made up.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:31 pm to TeLeFaWx
I would also like for the Auburn grad talking trash about median incomes(in which A&M blew Auburn out of the water) to keep in mind that the state of Texas has no state income tax. Boom.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:32 pm to gatormed
These threads are dumb. If you work hard, you could go to a Junior College and be successful. If you are lazy, you could be a super genius from MIT and not be worth anything or too much of a freak to work with others. End of story.
Oh and Auburn is better than Alabama of course
Oh and Auburn is better than Alabama of course
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:32 pm to We_Need_Cam
Just because you're right doesn't make it less fun to argue about.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:34 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I would also like for the Auburn grad talking trash about median incomes(in which A&M blew Auburn out of the water) to keep in mind that the state of Texas has no state income tax. Boom.
I live in FL son. And I lived in Texas before FL.
So boom right back at you.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:35 pm to 15sammy34
Haha oh I know, I have gotten sucked into these kinds of threads before. I spent way too much time yesterday in the # of bama NCs so I am sitting this one out.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:36 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Double boom is more like it.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:36 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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It was by total enrollmement
Since the average ACT score has increased for each class, one would expect the average for the most recent class (25.6) to be higher than the average for the entire enrollment. Correct?
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:38 pm to sarc
Yep. Makes sense. It was probably classes 3-4 years ago bringing it down. Didn't bama raise the minimum ACT score from 18 to 21 or something recently? That would help as well.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:50 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
All I care to know is how my major ranks nationally. As of 2013 rankings:
Undergraduate - 6th
Graduate - 3rd
boom.
Undergraduate - 6th
Graduate - 3rd
boom.
This post was edited on 1/3/13 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 1/3/13 at 2:56 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Didn't bama raise the minimum ACT score from 18 to 21 or something recently?
Yes, I believe so. It may even be a 22 or 23 ACT score now.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 3:03 pm to MetryTyger
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Ranking the SEC schools academically?
Mizzou gets the "upper echelon" cred because of the AAU status. Fair or unfair, the AAU is considered the gold standard of "Tier 1" status. There are a few elite private schools that are Tier 1 and Non AAU (Notre Dame, Wake Forest, etc.) but that is because they put no emphasis on research.
I also completely agree that most of this stuff is meaningless to the average grad. It comes in to play if you are applying for grad school or for jobs out of state or with prominent companies. In the end though you can get a great education at any school and the mission of a lot of these schools is about serving their state and not academic rankings.
The reason schools care about this stuff though is money. A higher rated school gets more research dollars. AAU membership means more research dollars. Research dollars equals jobs.
They must have missed this....
•LSU currently ranks among the top 30 public universities in total research awards. The University’s total federal funding; from agencies such as the National Science Foundation, National Institutes of Health, and the Department of Homeland Security; has increased more than $90 million over the last five years.
•LSU is designated as having very high research programs and activity (RU/VH) by the prestigious Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, the highest ranking awarded to doctorate-granting institutions.
*LSU's Pennington Biomedical Research Institute is one of the leading research facilities in the world for disease research.
That's all very nice and good PR by LSU but in the end every school can come up with certain areas to brag about. LSU is an excellent school in several areas, if you are going into Petroleum Engineering A&M and LSU are both fantastic. The number that really matters though is Total Research and this is how that ranks out, LSU is respectable as are most of the SEC schools (these are 2010 numbers):
Florida-18th Overall at $584 Million
Texas A&M-19th Overall at $582 Million
Vandy-36th Overall at $422 Million
Georgia-48th Overall at $350 Million
Kentucky-50th Overall at $336 Million
LSU-63rd Overall at $272 Million
Missouri-76th Overall at $244 Million
Tennessee-77th Overall at $242 Million
Miss State-82nd Overall at $210 Million
South Carolina-99th Overall at $172 Million
Auburn-109th Overall at $146 Million
Bama and Arkie don't rank because most of their money is at their off campus Med Schools. This particularly hurts Bama because UAB ends up with over $400 million due to that and likely keeps Bama out of the AAU. Ole Miss doesn't rank because they don't emphasize research and have an off campus Med School.
Federal funding also is big as is Endowment and both of those hurt LSU in the rankings as most of LSU's money is in private research dollars and the endowment is small.
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