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re: Ranking the SEC Baseball Programs
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:30 am to lsufball19
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:30 am to lsufball19
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You might want to weight pre 99 appearances higher. You could also weight SR appearances. Getting the same credit for going 2nQ in a regional vs pushing a game 3 in a super is pretty significant IMO.
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I'd add conference regular season titles as well as super regionals (although supers have only been around since 1999). Pre 1999 the tournament also only had 48 teams, so maybe that should be weighed higher
There an echo in here?
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 11:31 am
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:30 am to lsufball19
Conference titles are a good point to add.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:31 am to JayDeerTay84
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I get the point system, just seems odd.
Both USC and Vandy have done more recently than LSU.
Well then come up with a "Recent Ranking" list. If you are going to rank the programs of "All Time" then titles won recently don't mean anymore than titles won 30 years ago.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:33 am to bamafan1001
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For me(past 30 or so years):
1) LSU
2) USCe
3) Miss State
4) Vandy
5+ all have had great seasons. I originally said didnt matter but honestly the SEC has been a pinnacle of greatness for college baseball for years.
In the last 30 years:
Florida:
10 CWS appearances
23 NCAAT Appearances
7 SEC Regular Season Titles
0 National Titles
State:
5 CWS Appearances
23 NCAAT Appearances
3 SEC Regular Season Titles
0 National Titles
Vandy:
3 CWS Appearances
12 NCAAT Appearances
3 SEC Regular Season Titles
1 National Title
You may want to give Vandy a bump because of the one national titles, but if your parameters are consistency, it should be Florida, State, then Vandy, with LSU and USC at #1 and #2 respectively
And for reference on LSU and USC:
USC:
6 CWS Appearances
20 NCAAT Appearances
3 SEC Regular Season Titles
2 National Titles
LSU:
16 CWS Appearances
26 NCAAT Appearances
10 SEC Regular Season Titles
6 National Titles
My ranking would be (over the last 30 years)
1. LSU
2. USC
3. Florida
4. Miss State
5. Vandy
6. Arkansas
7. Georgia (6 CWS, 1 NC, 10 NCAAT, 3 SEC)
8. Alabama (3 CWS, 0 NC, 16 NCAAT, 3 SEC)
9. Ole Miss (1 CWS, 0 NC, 16 NCAAT, 1 SEC)
10. Tennessee (3 CWS, 0 NC, 8 NCAAT, 2 SEC)
11. Auburn (2 CWS, 0 NC, 15 NCAAT, 0 SEC)
12. Kentucky (0 CWS, 0 NC, 6 NCAAT, 0 SEC)
I left off A&M and Missouri given they've only been in the SEC 5 years and it would be hard to weigh them as accurately. Arkansas and USC have been in the SEC 25 years, so it's a little easier. If I had to put A&M somewhere they'd be probably right behind Arkansas. Over the last 30 years A&M has 3 CWS appearances, 22 NCAAT Appearances, and 4 Big 12 regular season titles and 2 SWC Titles.
Arkansas has 6 CWS Appearances, 22 NCAAT Appearances, and 2 SEC and 2 SWC Regukar Season Titles.
Missouri would probably right above Kentucky with 11 NCAAT appearances to Kentucky's 6
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 11:56 am
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:33 am to JayDeerTay84
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Did you intentionally not mention USC's titles?
It seemed to me he was mentioning specifically the accomplishments of teams that rank low in the overall ranking (#9 Vandy, #12 and #13 Auburn and Tennessee). South Carolina ranks #2 in the overall standings, so he probably felt no need to specifically list their accomplishments, presumably for the same reason he didn't mention LSU's six national titles and however many CWS appearances.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:35 am to BHMKyle
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#9 Vanderbilt has a National Title on their resume.
So does #7 Georgia.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:36 am to BHMKyle
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Well then come up with a "Recent Ranking" list. If you are going to rank the programs of "All Time" then titles won recently don't mean anymore than titles won 30 years ago.
Dont take it personal. You didn't mention "all time".
I reference football rankings. Winning a National title, IMO should put you ahead of all those who have zero. Period.
And being recent does matter IMO. Nothing personal.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:36 am to lsufball19
You are right. Id say Florida could be subbed in for Vandy at 4. Miss State trumps Florida to me due to the fan support there.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:37 am to Nuts4LSU
Here is the correct rank for the last 18 years.
1 South Carolina
2 LSU
3 Florida
4 Vanderbilt
5 Arkansas
6 Texas A&M
7 Mississippi St
8 Georgia
9 Ole Miss
10 Alabama
11 Tennessee
12 Auburn
13 Kentucky
14 Missouri
How it is weighted:
Regional (0.5)
Regional Final (1.0)
Host (0.5)
Super (2.0)
Super Host (1.0)
CWS (4.0)
CWS Final (4.0)
Ship (8.0)
1 South Carolina
2 LSU
3 Florida
4 Vanderbilt
5 Arkansas
6 Texas A&M
7 Mississippi St
8 Georgia
9 Ole Miss
10 Alabama
11 Tennessee
12 Auburn
13 Kentucky
14 Missouri
How it is weighted:
Regional (0.5)
Regional Final (1.0)
Host (0.5)
Super (2.0)
Super Host (1.0)
CWS (4.0)
CWS Final (4.0)
Ship (8.0)
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:39 am to BHMKyle
Where's the football thread? Probably don't want to see that anyway..
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:40 am to JayDeerTay84
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Winning a National title, IMO should put you ahead of all those who have zero. Period.
I disagree. Florida State has never won a CWS title, but I don't think any sane person would rank them below Coastal Carolina.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:41 am to SCgamecock2988
Would be a massive shitshow
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:41 am to Farmer1906
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correct rank for the last 18 years.
What an odd time frame. Why?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:42 am to SCgamecock2988
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Where's the football thread? Probably don't want to see that anyway..
Football is tough because there isn't really a good way to gauge things between no-bowl and title.
Conference Titles, National Titles, "Big Bowls, etc I guess.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:42 am to Nuts4LSU
Since 99 when they changed the postseason format.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:42 am to Nuts4LSU
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What an odd time frame. Why?
Since 2000 would be my guess, when the tournament changed
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:46 am to Nuts4LSU
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I disagree. Florida State has never won a CWS title, but I don't think any sane person would rank them below Coastal Carolina.
But championships DO matter.
I'd say for a schools program to have been founded in 1975 and have more titles that FSU says the opposite.
Coastal is not a bad baseball school at all.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 11:49 am to JayDeerTay84
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But championships DO matter.
I'd say for a schools program to have been founded in 1975 and have more titles that FSU says the opposite.
Coastal is not a bad baseball school at all.
Championships do matter, but they are not a trump card. FSU has 21 CWS Appearances without a national title. That's honestly a statistical anomaly. They've also made the NCAAT 41 straight years, more than any school
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 11:49 am
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:04 pm to lsufball19
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hey've also made the NCAAT 41 straight years, more than any school
Coastal has only had a program for 42 years lol
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 12:11 pm to BHMKyle
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