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Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:23 pm to Ag Zwin
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Nobody has ever disputed this. And LSU has never beaten Army. Not even close.
LSU's record vs Army is 0-1 and that game was in 1931. They are not our rival and never have been. Army is not located in the state of Louisiana. WTF are you thinking here?
Texas vs Texas A&M is a 100 year rivalry and you are comparing it to LSU vs Army to make a point.
Terrible, just terrible.
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A&M was basically the Citadel up until the early 70's.
Texas A&M's only national championship ever was in 1939.
Texas A&M's two fake national championships were before 1939. I don't buy this 1970's crap when Texas A&M had it's greatest success ever before 1970.
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it should have been an embarrassment to big, bad Texas that they EVER lost to A&M.
Is this some type of weird moral victory?
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:35 pm to Ag Zwin
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Ag Zwin
A&M has not beaten LSU in the last 21 years in football.
LSU has beaten A&M 5 straight.
LSU leads the overall series vs A&M.
LSU historically has the better football, baseball, and basketball programs.
And you are bragging that LSU canceled the last two games of a contract which happened over 20 years ago. Now, do you feel this is a Little Brother brag? It is kind of embarrassing when you think about it.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:51 pm to ctiger69
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Texas A&M's only national championship ever was in 1939.
Texas A&M's two fake national championships were before 1939. I don't buy this 1970's crap when Texas A&M had it's greatest success ever before 1970.
That was also a time when programs like Yale and Army were still winning MNC's. After World War II, college ball was a different game, dominated by bigger schools. From the beginning of WWII (when A&M was just gutted by war duty) until the big changes of the early 70's, Texas went 31-3-1 against us. That +28 is a more than 70% of the win differential in a 34 year period.
The Miami's and Notre Dame's could keep up for a while, but (as was discussed in a different thread today) it is unlikely that private schools will ever be more than one-coach-dynasties again.
Hey, everybody can have their own opinion about the issue, but anybody that believes A&M and Texas were competing on anything close to equal terms is just ignorant.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 1:17 am
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:45 am to BHMKyle
The decline is real y'all.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 6:57 am to LSU GrandDad
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when they were in the Big 8 it boiled down to either Nebraska or Oklahoma every year. they each played 9 or 10 easy teams and then each other.
This is the exact same thing that worked out well for FSU in the 80s. Played in a terribad ACC, with only Miami to challenge them.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:58 am to BHMKyle
The one that jumps out at me is Nebraska. I listened to some talking heads the other day and they made some good points on Nebraska's demise.
1. Tom Osbourne- Nebraska is a small state with almost all football being 7 man football in high school. Osbourne ran a simple option offense where you could take a WR and make him a QB. They are now trying to "spread it out" and the personnel doesn't fit.
2. Stopping the game with OU- THis was a huge recruiting tool. OU recruits Texas heavy, thus when the kids OU invited from Texas to the Nebraska game in Norman came, well guess who else they got to see play too?.... And Nebraska wound up with a good many Texas kids.
3. Joining the B1G. The Midwest outside of Ohio and Michigan doesn't produce any blue chippers. Those 4 and 5 star kids stay in Mich or Ohio. Everybody else gets leftovers. They lost the Texas recruiting base. They are trying to play soley with Nebraska kids now and it has zero chance. Nebraska has made the worst move by anybody that changed leagues. As it stands right now, Nebraska is dead in the water. They have got to get back in the Big 12 at least. OU also knew when Nebraska decided not to play anymore that OU would now clean up Texas and were happy to do it. They would have been better off joining the Pac 12 since they recruited L.A. heavy. The Cali kids aren't gonna want to play half their games in B1G country.
1. Tom Osbourne- Nebraska is a small state with almost all football being 7 man football in high school. Osbourne ran a simple option offense where you could take a WR and make him a QB. They are now trying to "spread it out" and the personnel doesn't fit.
2. Stopping the game with OU- THis was a huge recruiting tool. OU recruits Texas heavy, thus when the kids OU invited from Texas to the Nebraska game in Norman came, well guess who else they got to see play too?.... And Nebraska wound up with a good many Texas kids.
3. Joining the B1G. The Midwest outside of Ohio and Michigan doesn't produce any blue chippers. Those 4 and 5 star kids stay in Mich or Ohio. Everybody else gets leftovers. They lost the Texas recruiting base. They are trying to play soley with Nebraska kids now and it has zero chance. Nebraska has made the worst move by anybody that changed leagues. As it stands right now, Nebraska is dead in the water. They have got to get back in the Big 12 at least. OU also knew when Nebraska decided not to play anymore that OU would now clean up Texas and were happy to do it. They would have been better off joining the Pac 12 since they recruited L.A. heavy. The Cali kids aren't gonna want to play half their games in B1G country.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 8:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Yea, tough to top 1976-1979 + 1992 for Alabama (and a solid but not spectacular 1980's).
1996-2016 included the incredible Saban run and some good years in 1996, 1999, 2002 and 2005 but the years of 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2007 were trash.
Those years were certainly very bad but if you use titles instead of AP ranking, the periods become remarkably similar for Alabama.
1976-1995: 6 SEC titles, 3 National titles.
1996-2016: 5 SEC titles, 4 National titles.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 8:10 am to BHMKyle
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2. Penn State -144
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7. Texas A&M -111
always said to myself that aTm was the Penn State of the SEC. Mammoth schools with little feet.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 8:42 am to BHMKyle
Is this some kind of news flash that A&M football has been just mediocre since Slocum? I thought that was common knowledge. What we Ags like though, is the desire to change and improve the program: new stadium, upgraded facilities, massive donations, etc.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 8:52 am to TouchdownTony
Yea, they made very bad move.
These are the reasons why I don't agree when people try to compare TN to Nebraska.
Our state is booming with talent, we are in the SEC and are very close to Charlotte, VA and ATL talent.
The competition in the SEC is fierce but TN just needs competent leadership and we'll be OK.
These are the reasons why I don't agree when people try to compare TN to Nebraska.
Our state is booming with talent, we are in the SEC and are very close to Charlotte, VA and ATL talent.
The competition in the SEC is fierce but TN just needs competent leadership and we'll be OK.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 9:04 am to skrayper
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This is the exact same thing that worked out well for FSU in the 80s. Played in a terribad ACC, with only Miami to challenge them
Actually Florida State did not join the ACC until 1991... and while they did play Miami every season in the '80s, Miami was not a member of the ACC either.
FSU was Independent prior to '91, and they actually did a very good job of scheduling tough teams prior to being limited by the ACC in the '90s. During the '80s, Florida State played 33 regular season games against teams that finished ranked in the AP Poll... 6th most of any program during the decade. This includes 11 games against Top 5 teams and 21 games against Top 10 teams.
Once they joined the ACC, they were limited in their scheduling choices, but Florida State did a pretty good job of scheduling even in that era. They played the 11th most ranked teams of any program between 1991 and 1999. While the ACC was relatively weak in that day, they did play both Florida and Miami out of conference, who were typically Top 5 or Top 10 teams every year in the '90s.
Additionally, from 1991 through the end of the decade, Florida State played:
#23 BYU in 1991
#6 Michigan in 1991
#11 Syracuase in 1991
#2 Notre Dame in 1993
#11 Texas A&M in 1998
Those are just the regular season games against ranked OOC opponents not named Florida or Miami.... who again, were generally Top 5 or 10 teams each year. Plus the ACC did produce some decent teams during the '90s, despite FSU dominating that league.
Florida State had to work themselves up out of obscurity. They took a "we'll play anyone, anytime, anywhere" attitude in order to gain respect. They went from former all-girls school doormat in the 1960s, and they generally improved as a program through the 1970s and early 1980s. By the late 1980s, they were perceived as a strong program... which set them up nicely to be a dominant force in the 1990s.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 9:15 am to bgator85
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Damn I would have thought Florida would be closer if not ahead of us
The comparison with the prior 20 years includes a good run in the 80's and the first half of Spurrier's tenure. It's about what I would have expected.
So it would be 76-96 vs 97-2106 (or close to it). The end of Cholly Mac had at least one losing season in there and two or three avg 8 won seasons then the up and down of Stovall, above avg but not great during Arnsbarger, strong start under Archer but the dark days followed up until 96 so in reality that would be one of LSU's "worst" 20 years.
Where the 97-16 run would be bad finish for Dinardo but a couple solid yrs out of the darkness atleast then the greatness of both Saban and Miles. The best 20 year run of the program. I can see why LSU is so high.
And for UF, while no SEC championships until early Spurrier they were competitive with some of the late 80's teams and kinda showed what could be in the future. then the second part they still get some of Spurrier (i think) and the Urbie. Greatness split over both periods but it's been a great last 20 years for both programs
Posted on 6/23/16 at 9:25 am to Ericvol2096
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Our state is booming with talent
Actually Tennessee produces far less talent than most of the other southern states. I've always wondered why that was. If you look at the Top 300 kids for 2017 in the 247Sports rankings, here are how many are from each of the Southern states:
44- Texas
42- Florida
31- Georgia
13- Alabama
11- Louisiana
10- Tennessee
5- Mississippi
3- South Carolina
While that is some decent talent... certainly more than Nebraska has in-state... Tennessee should not be so far behind in producing talent compared to the smaller states of Alabama and Louisiana. And I would say 2017 is actually a "down" year for talent in both Alabama and Louisiana compared to normal years.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 9:32 am to BHMKyle
Here's another list of states that produce the most NFL talent (according to 2015 NFL rosters):
204- Florida
203- California
181- Texas
114- Georgia
78- Ohio
63- Alabama
58- Louisiana
55- North Carolina
55- Pennsylvania
52- New Jersey
49- Michigan
47- South Carolina
46- Virginia
35- Maryland
Those are the only states listed. Tennessee (the state) produced somewhere below 34 NFL players. There are four states on that list with a larger population than Tennessee... and while New Jersey and Michigan are larger in population, you would think they'd be handicapped compared to Tennessee due to the colder weather... not to mention they are both more urban than Tennessee.
204- Florida
203- California
181- Texas
114- Georgia
78- Ohio
63- Alabama
58- Louisiana
55- North Carolina
55- Pennsylvania
52- New Jersey
49- Michigan
47- South Carolina
46- Virginia
35- Maryland
Those are the only states listed. Tennessee (the state) produced somewhere below 34 NFL players. There are four states on that list with a larger population than Tennessee... and while New Jersey and Michigan are larger in population, you would think they'd be handicapped compared to Tennessee due to the colder weather... not to mention they are both more urban than Tennessee.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:40 am to BHMKyle
Nebraska is done for. They will be gone for a while.
LSU killed the Miami program, they haven't recovered from that 40-3 beat down.
But Miami will be back eventually.
LSU killed the Miami program, they haven't recovered from that 40-3 beat down.
But Miami will be back eventually.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:48 am to Chimlim
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they haven't recovered from that 40-3 beat down.
So it was their version of 21-0?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:33 am to BHMKyle
What was magical for A&M's program about Johnny footballs time there?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:35 pm to ThreauxDown11
Johnny's aTm team finished 3rd in the Sec West
aTm's best finish in the last 18 years in the Sec West/Big12 South
aTm's best finish in the last 18 years in the Sec West/Big12 South
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/23/16 at 2:37 pm to lestertheghost
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Johnny's aTm team finished 3rd in the Sec West
In their defense, that was good enough for a Top 5 finish nationally. A #3 finish in the West these days often means a Top 5 or 10 team.
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