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re: Program Killing Games In SEC History?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:31 pm to 1801
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:31 pm to 1801
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here ya go Princess...now repeat the quoted text 3 times and you'll be okay.
You think this whole thread was to troll USC fans? Ha.
I am willing to admit maybe we didn't kill yall's program. In retrospect the UK game seems like a better example, and the Citadel game (if the Herman rumors are true) was a loss that killed your program for at least a decade. That beats what we did.
Get over yourself.
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Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:32 pm to LSU82BILL
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Miami went into the 2005 Peach Bowl ranked 8th in the BCS having gone 66-9 in their previous 75 games. They are 71-57 since that game. 10 years without a conference championship or a major bowl game.
That seems like a great example to me.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:38 pm to cardboardboxer
The Texas program hasn't been the same since that title game in Pasadena against Bama.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:42 pm to cardboardboxer
The Kick Six.
Ever since returning that field goal, auburn has been shite.
Ever since returning that field goal, auburn has been shite.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:43 pm to cardboardboxer
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Jesus I am not talking about your fricked up "I started paying attention to football in 2000 and I am a LSU fan"
Calm down Samantha, I attended LSU in the 80's. I remember watching LSU steal Harvey Williams from your pathetic program.
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I am talking relative success, and relatively the Franklin Vandy program was probably the best Vandy program in 50+ years.
I'm sorry if I don't pay much attention to the Vandys and Temples of the world until they show up on LSU's schedule.
...Who am I kidding, no I'm not. But keep on keeping on. They may be more relevant to your program in the near future.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:46 pm to ArabianKnight
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The Texas program hasn't been the same since that title game in Pasadena against Bama.
Another great example.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:49 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Calm down Samantha, I attended LSU in the 80's. I remember watching LSU steal Harvey Williams from your pathetic program.
Then I would figure you might have an ounce of humility deep down....
Nah. Who am I kidding.
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I'm sorry if I don't pay much attention to the Vandys and Temples of the world until they show up on LSU's schedule.
Jesus Christ, I am TRYING to have a DISCUSSION about the SEC in general. Sorry if you can't fit that square peg into the round hole called "Saban 24/7" that is your life, but some of us can realize that out of the 120+ programs in college football only 20 or so even have the CHANCE to win a title, and out of the other 100 there are other definitions for a successful season.
Do like your mom advised and if you don't have anything smart to add just shut the frick up Donny.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:50 pm to tylerdurden24
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I'd also argue that UGA vs Tennessee in 2001 (The Hobnail Boot game) was in the same vein as UGA-Bama 08: it didn't immediately kill Tennessees program or anything but it does mark a shift in power in the East.
Tennessee still won the East in 2001 and were #2 in the BCS going into the SECCG. LSU put that nail in the coffin
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:51 pm to lsufball19
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Tennessee still won the East in 2001 and were #2 in the BCS going into the SECCG. LSU put that nail in the coffin
Yeah I am starting to come around on that one. Maybe the 2007 East title was a freak thing, like Fran's 9 win season.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:55 pm to cardboardboxer
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Maybe the 2007 East title was a freak thing
it absolutely was. Tennessee was 9-3 overall and 6-2 in the SEC. They needed 3 OTs in the last game of the year to beat Kentucky to qualify. They won the East in 2004 as well, but got beat twice by Auburn that season as well as a very mediocre Notre Dame team at home
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:57 pm to cardboardboxer
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Jesus Christ, I am TRYING to have a DISCUSSION about the SEC in general. Sorry if you can't fit that square peg into the round hole called "Saban 24/7" that is your life
I can't understand you with Texas' dick stuck in your mouth.
Just because I don't really pay much attention to a program that hasn't won a conference title in 80 some years doesn't mean you have to bring my mom into it.
You mentioned Temple killing Vandy's program and it just struck me as absurd, junior, get over it.
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out of the 120+ programs in college football only 20 or so even have the CHANCE to win a title
How many of those 120 even have a chance at winning a conference title?
How many of those teams even have a chance at just spoiling another team's chances at winning a conference title?
Son, I've just got other stuff to do than worry about Vandy and Temple. But good on ya for dedicating your time to those programs, I'm sure they can use the attention.
Have a corn chip.
[This post is in no way meant to disparage the fine folks who cheer for Vandy - or Temple. Good luck to your teams.]
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:03 pm to lsufball19
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it absolutely was. Tennessee was 9-3 overall and 6-2 in the SEC. They needed 3 OTs in the last game of the year to beat Kentucky to qualify. They won the East in 2004 as well, but got beat twice by Auburn that season as well as a very mediocre Notre Dame team at home
That is so interesting. From my perspective Phil's program was killed the day that the AD decided to not hire an intern after they got turned down a lot of times after Freshwater left, but I guess they were screwed long before then.
I appreciate learning so much about the other UT, thanks.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:04 pm to cardboardboxer
From an A&M perspective:
1999 - Oklahoma 51, Texas A&M 6. That game signaled the beginning of the end for R.C. Slocum. Getting destroyed by a first year head coach in a year when you were preseason top ten, then following it up with getting shut out in Lincoln sealed his fate. Had Slocum not beaten Texas after the bonfire collapse, he likely gets fired 3 years early.
2005 - We like to think that Franchione was done after 77-0, but we could at least chalk that up to redshirting 18 freshmen. The 42-14 loss to Iowa State at home is what Franchione never recovered from. Granted it took the "VIP Newsletter" in 2007 to give the program top cover to fire him, but the 2005 Iowa State game was the beginning of the end.
2011 - We like to say that it was the loss to t.u. after blowing ANOTHER 2 score lead in the final game between the two programs that got Sherman fired, but his fate was sealed after the loss to Kansas State in 4OT in which A&M blew a 10 point lead in the final two minutes of regulation. It was the FOURTH epic choke that season.
1999 - Oklahoma 51, Texas A&M 6. That game signaled the beginning of the end for R.C. Slocum. Getting destroyed by a first year head coach in a year when you were preseason top ten, then following it up with getting shut out in Lincoln sealed his fate. Had Slocum not beaten Texas after the bonfire collapse, he likely gets fired 3 years early.
2005 - We like to think that Franchione was done after 77-0, but we could at least chalk that up to redshirting 18 freshmen. The 42-14 loss to Iowa State at home is what Franchione never recovered from. Granted it took the "VIP Newsletter" in 2007 to give the program top cover to fire him, but the 2005 Iowa State game was the beginning of the end.
2011 - We like to say that it was the loss to t.u. after blowing ANOTHER 2 score lead in the final game between the two programs that got Sherman fired, but his fate was sealed after the loss to Kansas State in 4OT in which A&M blew a 10 point lead in the final two minutes of regulation. It was the FOURTH epic choke that season.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You mentioned Temple killing Vandy's program and it just struck me as absurd, junior, get over it.
It was just an example, and is why I gave more than one example.
If we have to live in your world of only teams that can win titles count than look to Texas vs Bama as an example instead and try to contribute.
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Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:07 pm to cardboardboxer
UGA vs WVU in the Sugar Bowl. Pretty much exposed Richt.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:08 pm to cardboardboxer
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That is so interesting. From my perspective Phil's program was killed the day that the AD decided to not hire an intern after they got turned down a lot of times after Freshwater left, but I guess they were screwed long before then.
I appreciate learning so much about the other UT, thanks.
Fulmer basically stopped recruiting. Tennessee entered 2005 preseason top 5 and went 5-7, including their first loss to Vandy in almost 30 years. He rebounded with a decent 2006 season and that 2007 season, but followed it with another 5-7 season in 2008 and got the axe. Once Kiffin took over, it was a massive rebuild. His untimely and unexpected departure only made the situation worse, and then it was compounded even greater by hiring Derek Dooley when there was no one else to hire based on when Kiffin bolted.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:11 pm to GIbson05
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21-0 was the turning point that Alabama and Saban were clear cut #1, and since than LSU hasn't been close to a NC and fans want him fired just because he's not having Saban like success.
I disagree. That one was bad, but the one that killed it was the next year in Tiger Stadium. You say LSU hasn't been close to a NC since 21-0? In 2012, we were top five or six when we hosted #1 Alabama and appeared to have the game won until the late TD drive. That game, and specifically that drive, is what ruined Les Miles' LSU program. If we stop that drive and win that game, we go on to win the West, probably win the SECCG, likely beat Notre Dame in the BCSNCG and then all is well and 21-0 is forgotten.
21-0 wasn't the death of LSU football under Les Miles. 21-17 was.
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 8:04 am
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:12 pm to Nuts4LSU
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I disagree. That one was bad, but the one that killed it was the next year in Tiger Stadium. You say LSU hasn't been close to a NC since 21-0? In 2012, we were top five or six when we hosted #1 Alabama and appeared to have the game won until the late TD drive. That game, and specifically that drive, is what ruined Les Miles' LSU program. If we stop that drive and win that game, we go on to win the West, probably beat Florida in a rematch in the SECCG, likely beat Notre Dame in the BCSNCG and then all is well and 21-0 is forgotten.
21-0 wasn't the death of LSU football under Les Miles. 21-17 was.
That's actually a very fair point. That 2012 game could have definitely stopped the bleeding. However, it would have reinforced into Miles that he can win playing 3 yards and a cloud of dust and just delayed the inevitable
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:18 pm to cardboardboxer
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If we have to live in your world of only teams that can win titles count
It looks like you're finally starting to understand. #Big6
Posted on 9/21/16 at 2:19 pm to Nuts4LSU
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I disagree. That one was bad, but the one that killed it was the next year in Tiger Stadium. You say LSU hasn't been close to a NC since 21-0? In 2012, we were top five or six when we hosted #1 Alabama and appeared to have the game won until the late TD drive. That game, and specifically that drive, is what ruined Les Miles' LSU program. If we stop that drive and win that game, we go on to win the West, probably beat Florida in a rematch in the SECCG, likely beat Notre Dame in the BCSNCG and then all is well and 21-0 is forgotten.
21-0 wasn't the death of LSU football under Les Miles. 21-17 was.
Good point.
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