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Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:05 pm to cardboardboxer
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An obvious historical example for me as an Aggie is when OU beat us 0-77. That in one game killed RC Slocum's A&M program and what it represented. It took us almost a decade to recover.
Dennis Franchione was the head coach. Who you hired after you fired Slocum. Seems to me you effectively killed Slocum's program when you fired him.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:05 pm to dan765
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USC vs UGA 2015. Spurrier retired a few weeks after that game.
Um, no. Superior retired after the LSU game.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:07 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Dennis Franchione was the head coach. Who you hired after you fired Slocum. Seems to me you effectively killed Slocum's program when you fired him.
Yeah but we didn't know it was a bad hire until 0-77. "Us vs Bama's AD" was never a game that was played that we all got to watch.
My point is if we would have hired Urban Meyer instead of Fran than RC's programs might have never died. Sometimes programs don't die, they just have lulls (Bowden's FSU is a good example). Sometimes they die and some loss makes you realize it will never be the same 0-77 was that game for us and Fran.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:10 pm to dan765
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UGA vs UT 2015. I think that was the beginning of the end for Richt.
not even close
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:13 pm to lsufball19
You better butter Butch up and call him toast. Florida is beating Tennesse!
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:13 pm to DoUrden
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after Spurrier retired from UF Fulmer assumed he would cruise to the SEC title every year and stopped recruiting like he used to and spent too much time worrying about getting Bama in trouble.
At first I was like:
...and then I was like:
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:14 pm to dan765
He retired after LSU spakned that arse not UGA
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:14 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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This, This right here. I was never more sure that we would win a game then I was about this one, and we blew it.
It took a few more years, but a paradigm shift took place for me. I went from knowing we'd win at least 10 of our games every year, to just hoping we would, and then knowing we wouldn't.
Well given that I would say no single game killed UT's program.
That happens sometimes, in fact it is more common for it to happen that way- a program slowly descends into nothingness.
Program-killing losses are much rarer and for that reason they make people take notice. For example I can't point to a game that killed what Nebraska's program was (MAYBE that Colorado game MAYBE), but I can point to the 2007 Appalachian State vs. Michigan football game and say "what Michigan's football program was died that day."
See the difference?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:16 pm to AUtigerNOLA
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I forgot you are an Aggie
What does that have to do with this thread?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:17 pm to cardboardboxer
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Like when Temple beat Vandy EVERYTHING Franklin built was murdered that day. EVERYTHING.
Vandy?
Temple?
The earth shook the day Temple beat Vandy, did it?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:17 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
It turned a lot of our heads yeah. Franklin had built something respectable there and Mason tore it down in a single offseason.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:17 pm to dan765
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Ok, how about UGA vs UT 2015.
Nah...the beatdown in Athens knocked the wheels off UGA
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:23 pm to dan765
UGA vs Bama in 2008.
Before that game under richt, UGA was a major force in the SEC with 2 SEC titles, 3 Sugar Bowl appearances, a few top 5 finishes, tons of wins. 2008 was supposed to be the pinnacle of an 8 year effort on Richts part and Bama brought it crashing down with their own beginning of the current dynasty. From there, Richt never truly recovered. The very next year he was forced to fire one of his best friends in Willie Martinez and from there he was never the same. 2012 was as close as we ever got to Richts halcyon days before he finally ran out of steam and good will last year
Before that game under richt, UGA was a major force in the SEC with 2 SEC titles, 3 Sugar Bowl appearances, a few top 5 finishes, tons of wins. 2008 was supposed to be the pinnacle of an 8 year effort on Richts part and Bama brought it crashing down with their own beginning of the current dynasty. From there, Richt never truly recovered. The very next year he was forced to fire one of his best friends in Willie Martinez and from there he was never the same. 2012 was as close as we ever got to Richts halcyon days before he finally ran out of steam and good will last year
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:25 pm to cardboardboxer
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It turned a lot of our heads yeah. Franklin had built something respectable there
Vandy hasn't been respectable since they were competing for Southern Conference championships with Tulane.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:25 pm to cardboardboxer
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You don't get it. You don't get it at all.
here ya go Princess...now repeat the quoted text 3 times and you'll be okay.
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I am asking "when did the coffin get the first nail?"
we've been telling everyone for 3 years that happened the day Steve Jr was given the title of recruiting coordinator. the 'first nail' never happened on the field in any one win or loss. get over yourself.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:26 pm to cardboardboxer
I'd also argue that UGA vs Tennessee in 2001 (The Hobnail Boot game) was in the same vein as UGA-Bama 08: it didn't immediately kill Tennessees program or anything but it does mark a shift in power in the East. Tennessee would win the East a couple of times later in 2004 and 2007 but they've never been as good as they were pre 2001
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:29 pm to 14&Counting
Miami went into the 2005 Peach Bowl ranked 8th in the BCS having gone 66-9 in their previous 75 games. They are 71-57 since that game. 10 years without a conference championship or a major bowl game.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:30 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Vandy hasn't been respectable since they were competing for Southern Conference championships with Tulane.
Jesus I am not talking about your fricked up "I started paying attention to football in 2000 and I am a LSU fan" definition for success where every year you don't win a title you failed. I am talking relative success, and relatively the Franklin Vandy program was probably the best Vandy program in 50+ years.
Temple ended any chance they had to continue that success and maybe get to the point they were an Arky level team instead of being a doormat. Everything in life is relative.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:30 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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No.
From 1993-2005 Miami was 3rd nationally in win% (78.3%) (Alabama was 49th during that span.)
Since getting beat by LSU 41-3 in the 2005 Peach Bowl, Miami is 49th nationally in win% (55.9%).
It looks like beating Miami in '92 hurt Alabama more than it hurt Miami
In the '93 Sugar Bowl, Bama blew up the aura of invincibility surrounding Miami. In the 10 years prior to that game, Miami never went unranked, and had 7 top 3 finishes, including 4 national championships. The 7 years after that game, Miami only finished once in the top 10 (#6) and had one season unranked (with a losing record)...
Miami got their swagger back at the turn of the century for 3 or 4 years, but it was nothing like their run prior to the '93 Sugar Bowl...
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