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re: Program Killing Games In SEC History?
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:46 pm to CBandits82
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:46 pm to CBandits82
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2001 SEC Championship killed Tennessee for over a decade.
If that counts so does 21-0 as Tenn had a SEC East title in 2007. I am talking more dramatic deaths. Like when Temple beat Vandy EVERYTHING Franklin built was murdered that day. EVERYTHING.
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Miami still has not recovered from the 2005 arse whooping we gave them.
That isn't a bad one. They only beat one ranked team the next year.
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Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:46 pm to rockytop627
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IMO another loss to UF this week could be fatal for our program under Butch.
if UT loses to Florida, Butch is toast
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:47 pm to rockytop627
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IMO another loss to UF this week could be fatal for our program under Butch.
Nah, Butch was never successful enough to have the kind of loss that counts in this thread.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:47 pm to cardboardboxer
Op mentioned OU 77-0 killing all remnants of the RC tenure.
However, the team did recover and eventually buy into Franchione in 2004, only to get curb stomped by Tennessee in the Cotton Bowl. We are still trying to climb out of that hole.
We lost that game coming out of the tunnel mentally.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:48 pm to skrayper
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I'd say the 1992 Sugar Bowl broke Miami for a long while
No.
From 1993-2005 Miami was 3rd nationally in win% (78.3%) (Alabama was 49th during that span.)
Since getting beat by LSU 41-3 in the 2005 Peach Bowl, Miami is 49th nationally in win% (55.9%).
It looks like beating Miami in '92 hurt Alabama more than it hurt Miami.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:49 pm to cardboardboxer
Off the top of my head I figured the Arkansas 31-6 beatdown in '75 would be a good example. Aggies were 10-0 going in, ranked #2. They didn't get over that and got skunked by USC in the Liberty Bowl.
But not so fast. They went 10-2 again the next year, with a 27-3 win in Austin and 37-14 win over UF in the Sun Bowl. So maybe it's just me that was killed by that Arkansas loss.
But not so fast. They went 10-2 again the next year, with a 27-3 win in Austin and 37-14 win over UF in the Sun Bowl. So maybe it's just me that was killed by that Arkansas loss.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:49 pm to cardboardboxer
2008, Tennessee loses to Wyoming 7-13. Fulmer fired after a 5-7 season. Although that was the final loss of an already bad regular season, that was the ultimate nail in the coffin that got Fulmer fired and began the downward spiral of sub-mediocrity that we Tennessee fans have gotten to endure and enjoy over the last 8 years.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:49 pm to cardboardboxer
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Like when Temple beat Vandy EVERYTHING Franklin built was murdered that day. EVERYTHING.
everything was murdered when Franklin bolted to Penn State, which was inevitable. Temple was just proof that they were done after Franklin. It's not like they were going to be a good team in 2014, but Temple crushed their souls and caused them to lose 8 more games, most in blowouts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:50 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Not a game, but after Spurrier retired from UF Fulmer assumed he would cruise to the SEC title every year and stopped recruiting like he used to and spent too much time worrying about getting Bama in trouble.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:52 pm to cjohn
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However, the team did recover and eventually buy into Franchione in 2004
That was the most chickshit nine win team we ever had, and Tenn proved that when we played them.
What you are repeating is our justifications from the time because we didn't want to accept it, but 0-77 killed our program for a while. We didn't beat OU for a recruit until a decade later.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:54 pm to BigOrangeLoyalist
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2008, Tennessee loses to Wyoming 7-13. Fulmer fired after a 5-7 season.
That was the final nail, but really it was a done deal by then. You too are missing the point.
Either UCLA killed your program or UF did earlier that year. I am not a Tenn fan so I don't know which one did it.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:54 pm to BamaGradinTn
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So why fire Miles???
2nd place is first loser my friend
and we haven't even been 2nd last few years
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:55 pm to Arksulli
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A heavy loss to Miami also ended the run of Arkansas being a triple option team.
And one year later if Steve Atwater holds onto that interception in the end zone, Arkansas is playing for the National Championship in the Cotton Bowl. If you want to boil it down to one play, that is the one.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:56 pm to cardboardboxer
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That was the final nail, but really it was a done deal by then. You too are missing the point.
well then maybe the point is no single game has ever killed a program
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:57 pm to cardboardboxer
I'll say 2011 LSU v. Auburn was the beginning of the end for Chizik. Auburn seemed like they were going to be pretty decent, even after losing Cam - had beaten top 10 South Carolina in Columbia. LSU played one of the most physically dominating games I can remember, even with Tyrann Mathieu suspended. After that, Auburn gets blown out by Georgia and Alabama - then the wheels fell off in 2012.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:57 pm to cardboardboxer
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When Spurrier decided to quit it was AFTER his program was already in the tank.
Prior to playing A&M in 2014 USC had THREE eleven win seasons in a row. They went into that game not only ranked but preseason favorites to win the east. After that loss that momentum was lost, and USC lost four of the next 8 games. No one ever expected shite out of them since, hence OBC's 11 win program was killed that day.
That loss wasn't as awful as you're making it out to be.
Going into that season, most SC fans were very skeptical that we'd live up to the hype. Many, like myself, knew that Lorenzo Ward was going to be exposed since all of the talent he had in previous years was gone. And look what happened.
The losses to UT and UK that year were MUCH more detrimental to Spurrier's psyche. We had late leads that inexplicably vanished. It was clear he was going to have to fire Ward and hire a new DC if we were going to recover, and he simply didn't have the resolve. Plus, his "2 more years" coaching comment that cost us a great recruiting class was the nail in the coffin for Spurrier. He simply didn't care anymore.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:58 pm to lsufball19
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everything was murdered when Franklin bolted to Penn State, which was inevitable.
Not so fast. Sometimes programs make a good hire and keep the momentum going.
For example, I would argue Saban's program at LSU continued long after he was gone because LSU made the right hire with Les Miles. In the LSU example there wasn't a program killing moment for LSU (unless you want to argue SABAN's program died after 21-0 and all that was left was a Les Miles program).
If Vandy would have followed Franklin with a great hire they could have kept the party going. The Temple game was proof to the world that they failed at hiring a replacement. Hence why it is a significant game, the proof matters.
Hell OU beat us 0-77 because Fran was a moron. When we hired Fran is when we really killed RC's program. But we didn't know until 0-77.
It is a small but important difference.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:02 pm to dan765
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Ok, how about UGA vs UT 2015. I think that was the beginning of the end for Richt.
I think the decision to let go of Richt came after the UF game...
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:02 pm to lsufball19
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LSU beating Tennessee is the 2001 SECCG.
This, This right here. I was never more sure that we would win a game then I was about this one, and we blew it.
It took a few more years, but a paradigm shift took place for me. I went from knowing we'd win at least 10 of our games every year, to just hoping we would, and then knowing we wouldn't.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 1:03 pm to lsufball19
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well then maybe the point is no single game has ever killed a program
Which is what I said in the OP.
BUT I do believe sometimes there is a game that exposes a program for what it is. A game where after that game the program isn't the same as it was before that game, either because the program lost faith in itself or we lose faith in the program.
Here is a really obvious example I was avoiding for obvious reasons but maybe it will help you understand: Texas vs Bama in the title game.
After that game Mack Brown's program was done for. They had a losing season the next year and he never got back to ten wins. That one game fricked up Mack so bad he never got his mojo back. Losing to Iowa St is what got Mack actually fired, but Bama killed what his program was.
Those are the types of games I am talking about.
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