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Posted on 9/13/17 at 2:58 pm to Billy Mays
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Ole Miss clearly only cheated when recruiting QBs, WRs, and LTs.
...not according to student athlete number 39
Posted on 9/13/17 at 3:00 pm to JustGetItRight
True nobody really knows
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:03 pm to UAtide11
At what point does it say in there that they had transcripts of these phone calls.....and it never mentioned anything other than text messages recommending RR. So nothing nefarious really right there to be collaborated.
Then you do have this:
Wonder who the person is that gave them this tip? Mississippi is a relatively small state and the recruiting circuit/HS football fans is pretty close group. We all know pretty much who did what and a bunch of people are pretty disappointed he did it....not just Ole Miss fans. I imagine that all the recruiting shenanigans are done for quite some time now or if you are smart you will stop.
Then you do have this:
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On April 2016, the enforcement staff football development group received information that institutional representatives provided significant impermissible recruiting inducements to ****. On July 28, 2016, the enforcement staff requested limited immunity on **** behalf, which was granted August 1, 2016. On August 10, 2016, the enforcement staff's investigative team initially interviewed **** and later interviewed him again concerning this case November 18 and December 13, 2016.
Wonder who the person is that gave them this tip? Mississippi is a relatively small state and the recruiting circuit/HS football fans is pretty close group. We all know pretty much who did what and a bunch of people are pretty disappointed he did it....not just Ole Miss fans. I imagine that all the recruiting shenanigans are done for quite some time now or if you are smart you will stop.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:07 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Wonder who the person is that gave them this tip?
Every report has stated that it was a non-SEC source.
I heard Florida State, but I'm sure there are other names out there
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:18 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Every report has stated that it was a non-SEC source.
The NCAA documents (can't remember if it is the NOA or the response) straight out says the tip came from someone not affiliated with a SEC program yet many OM people still push the narrative that State did it. Really bizarre.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:25 pm to JustGetItRight
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The NCAA documents (can't remember if it is the NOA or the response) straight out says the tip came from someone not affiliated with a SEC program yet many OM people still push the narrative that State did it. Really bizarre.
The question is what quantifies as "someone not affiliated with an SEC program". Does that mean someone who isn't employed by a program? Someone that isn't classified as Booster?
There are plenty of guesses and within HS circles they all point one way. Plus we all know of other things that have gone on and generally it is a wink, a nod and a unwritten rule that no one talks. I don't think people are going to be so willing to keep their mouths shut anymore and thank God after this year I won't be around it anymore.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:26 pm to JustGetItRight
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The NCAA documents (can't remember if it is the NOA or the response) straight out says the tip came from someone not affiliated with a SEC program yet many OM people still push the narrative that State did it. Really bizarre.
Not gonna lie, the statement seemed strange enough to almost be a cover for the true culprit. If I was an OM fan I would be suspicious of how they were so deliberate in saying that it was a non-SEC school. But that is what they said
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:30 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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thank God after this year I won't be around it anymore.
Yea, you seemed a little tight today, ABFNMS. Way too quick going loud and dropping bombs. That's not your MO.
Get some scotch and chillax
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:46 pm to Vecchio Cane
Ole Miss has a 50/50 chance of getting off without a two year bowl ban but
additional penalties are almost guaranteed with further reductions in scholarships
and increased recruiting restrictions. The factor of how crippling this would be to
Oxford itself may sway the COI towards a little leniency. I look for Mullen to move
on after this year. The impression that he offered up the Leo Lewis testimony,
whether true or not, has poisoned the well.
additional penalties are almost guaranteed with further reductions in scholarships
and increased recruiting restrictions. The factor of how crippling this would be to
Oxford itself may sway the COI towards a little leniency. I look for Mullen to move
on after this year. The impression that he offered up the Leo Lewis testimony,
whether true or not, has poisoned the well.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:47 pm to SSpaniel
The public perception that Freeze was some rampant cheater is interesting considering how many high profile defensive recruits that Ole Miss was beat out for. Their defensive absolutely sucks this year. Like Texas Tech bad.
But hey, narratives.
But hey, narratives.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 4:52 pm to Dave1999
y'all please continue reading all that bullshite your pay sites are puking out. You know the ones that have been correct about absolutely zero in all of this. It will make the melt all that more awesome in November. Posted on 9/13/17 at 5:35 pm to MaroonNation
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MaroonNation
You have to be a ED poster....because you are just as bad, if nor worse than, those syphilis infected pricks. I bet you are right now staking out the Tunsil house in Taylor waiting to break some more juicy gossip.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:05 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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You have to be a ED poster....because you are just as bad, if nor worse than, those syphilis infected pricks. I bet you are right now staking out the Tunsil house in Taylor waiting to break some more juicy gossip.
Please find anything I have ever posted on ED. I'll ban bet you on that. Can the same be said about you on the OMSpirit?
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:10 pm to OliverQueen81
Honestly just putting them in a position where they can no longer rampantly break the rules is the equivalent to major penalties for a major program.
-No more competitive 85 man rosters
-No championship game appearances
-[desirable] Bowl Ban
Even without any penalties the penalized early the 2000s Alabama (pre Saban) is their ceiling
-No more competitive 85 man rosters
-No championship game appearances
-[desirable] Bowl Ban
Even without any penalties the penalized early the 2000s Alabama (pre Saban) is their ceiling
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:16 pm to Billy Mays
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The public perception that Freeze was some rampant cheater is interesting considering how many high profile defensive recruits that Ole Miss was beat out for. Their defensive absolutely sucks this year. Like Texas Tech bad.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out he didn't recruit defense. Dude had what, 20-25 wide receivers on schollie?
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:22 pm to OliverQueen81
Ole Miss is looking at 3 year bowl ban, 25-30 schollys, 3-4 year probation and 1-3 more show-causes. I didnt realize they self-imposed all that..
I'm impressed.
I'm impressed.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:24 pm to Billy Mays
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The public perception that Freeze was some rampant cheater is interesting considering how many high profile defensive recruits that Ole Miss was beat out for. Their defensive absolutely sucks this year. Like Texas Tech bad.
Even when top tier programs cheat they don't sign the top player nationally at every position, of course they still get beat out for recruits.
When an uninspiring ole miss program (7-6) signs the top player in Illinois, Georgia, and Florida after signing the 48th ranked class the year before it raises eyebrows.
Every one said it, and everyone was right.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 6:38 pm to Reservoir dawg
This years Egg Bowl might end with some dead folks if this thread is any indication. Gonna be brutal.
If everything I've heard from legitimate, non-message board or opposing fan sources is even remotely true - the hammer is going to be dropped on OM. Just no way around it at this point for the NCAA, especially if they want any sort of power going forward. Anyone that's the least bit objective can see it coming for that reason alone.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 7:05 pm to RazorBroncs
Lewis, Jones, Miller, Mullen, Robertson, Sheridan, Duncan and possibly Wolken and Forde still have to give depositions (under oath) in the Rebel Rags lawsuit. Expect Merkel to supoena transcript of the COI hearing. These depositions can be taken into consideration by the COI.
4-14-1. Submissions Following Hearing of a Case. The decision whether submissions following a hearing are accepted into the record for consideration by a panel rests with the chief hearing officer.
Such request and submission must be served on all parties. Any submission not requested by the panel shall indicate that the party has contacted all other parties and detail those parties' positions on the request.
The panel may direct the parties to submit additional information to be added to the record and considered by the panel.
Any post-hearing submissions shall be made in accordance with IOP 3-6.
4-14-1. Submissions Following Hearing of a Case. The decision whether submissions following a hearing are accepted into the record for consideration by a panel rests with the chief hearing officer.
Such request and submission must be served on all parties. Any submission not requested by the panel shall indicate that the party has contacted all other parties and detail those parties' positions on the request.
The panel may direct the parties to submit additional information to be added to the record and considered by the panel.
Any post-hearing submissions shall be made in accordance with IOP 3-6.
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