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re: Ole Miss in position to turn the corner?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:50 am to Whereisomaha
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:50 am to Whereisomaha
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Something changed their program and that something was money. Money allows them to buy better facilities which attract better athletes and better athletes win more games, more wins means even better athletes and the snow balls begins.
and ole miss doesn't have oregon money
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:51 am to lsufball19
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i mean it's in the media guide
Did not know that until I looked it up.
Always interesting to read origins.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:57 am to Reservoir dawg
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How so?
You are arguing that we were not a great team last year because we list to a team full of 2 stars. But when questioned about the counter argument that we beat 2 teams full of 4 and 5 stars, you changed the subject to "enjoy your Cinderella season" instead of trying to make your point.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 10:58 am
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:07 am to WorkinDawg
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Two points- 1) there are more football players in Clay County than there are in entire state of Mississippi. So a much easier turn around. and 2) Florida cheated their arse off, so poor example.
Florida sucked once. Ole Miss sucked once. Florida hired a young innovative coach who recruits top talent. Ole Miss hired a young innovative coach who recruits top talent. Florida turned into a national power. Ole Miss has become a relevant program and is rising.
What's so poor about the comparison?
Looking ahead, obviously UF has more resources and a bigger recruiting pool, but the comparison still fits. The point is that sucking in the past doesn't mean you have to suck in the future.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:09 am to inelishaitrust
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Problem for ole miss is it is to expensive to buy the depth required to win big in the SEC.
You should go take a look at Ole Miss's current recruiting class. Depth to win championships If it holds together.
Ole Miss, here's what you are going to learn if you maintain momentum- we had to go through it post Goff/ Donnan; USCe went through it til SOS got there, etc.:
1. One recruiting class will not build depth, or do anything of significance.
2. Get 3-4 top 5 type classes in a row. Congrats, you are now competing talent wise with your SEC competition.
3. You signed 3 "can't miss" players in Tunsil, Robert Nkimdeeechheeee, and Treadwell. Tunsil and RK will be top 5 picks most likely. That is very, very rare. Most "can't miss" kids are lucky to make 2nd team all SEC. You could live to be 120 years old and not see Ole Miss (or anyone else for that matter) roll snake eyes like Hugh did with that class.
Ole Miss is 1000x better off now than they were pre-Freeze. But they've got quite a bit of building left to do. UT biult a bit differently, but probably more effective in the long run (assuming band camp boy can coach), as they have stockpiled talent for 3-4 years.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:12 am to WorkinDawg
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Ole Miss, here's what you are going to learn if you maintain momentum- we had to go through it post Goff/ Donnan; USCe went through it til SOS got there, etc.:
1. One recruiting class will not build depth, or do anything of significance.
2. Get 3-4 top 5 type classes in a row. Congrats, you are now competing talent wise with your SEC competition.
3. You signed 3 "can't miss" players in Tunsil, Robert Nkimdeeechheeee, and Treadwell. Tunsil and RK will be top 5 picks most likely. That is very, very rare. Most "can't miss" kids are lucky to make 2nd team all SEC. You could live to be 120 years old and not see Ole Miss (or anyone else for that matter) roll snake eyes like Hugh did with that class.
Ole Miss is 1000x better off now than they were pre-Freeze. But they've got quite a bit of building left to do. UT biult a bit differently, but probably more effective in the long run (assuming band camp boy can coach), as they have stockpiled talent for 3-4 years.
Most Ole Miss fans know that the program is still years away from achieving the "consistency" to win big. That consistency comes from a complete program culture change and multiple top recruiting classes. Give a program like Alabama credit - they play the exact same way each and every week and that's the gold standard.
Ole Miss was a complete dumpster fire 4 years ago - it's still early in process.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 11:13 am
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:14 am to OBReb6
If all of our Juniors stayed, and all of Alabama's Juniors stayed, we would be a 7pt favorite in Oxford next year.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:15 am to No Colors
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If all of our Juniors stayed, and all of Alabama's Juniors stayed, we would be a 7pt favorite in Oxford next year.
no you wouldn'tPosted on 12/17/15 at 11:16 am to Billy Mays
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Florida sucked once. Ole Miss sucked once. Florida hired a young innovative coach who recruits top talent. Ole Miss hired a young innovative coach who recruits top talent. Florida turned into a national power. Ole Miss has become a relevant program and is rising.
What's so poor about the comparison?
Looking ahead, obviously UF has more resources and a bigger recruiting pool, but the comparison still fits. The point is that sucking in the past doesn't mean you have to suck in the future.
It is much, much easier for a team like UF to build and sustain a program- that's all I am saying. It's not easy pulling great players from states that have great programs. Ole Miss is the only team competing with Bama, that says an awful lot. But you will not get to the next level when you look like an entirely different team if a single O or D lineman goes out for a couple of games.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:20 am to Billy Mays
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Most Ole Miss fans know that the program is still years away from achieving the "consistency" to win big. That consistency comes from a complete program culture change and multiple top recruiting classes. Give a program like Alabama credit - they play the exact same way each and every week and that's the gold standard.
Ole Miss was a complete dumpster fire 4 years ago - it's still early in process.
You got it. What you guys have accomplished is really remarkable. But as you eloquently stated, you guys have a lot of building left if you want to go from a 9 win team to a 10-11 win team. It takes more than 22 really good players to make it through the SEC. Us Dawg fans are experts in this area....
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:20 am to WorkinDawg
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It is much, much easier for a team like UF to build and sustain a program- that's all I am saying
Well yeah - there's a lot of strong reasons why UF is one of the best jobs in the country currently.
Things change. Cycles happen. Programs rise and fall. There was a time when Ole Miss was a football power and Florida was a joke program too.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:21 am to Billy Mays
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You signed 3 "can't miss" players in Tunsil, Robert Nkimdeeechheeee, and Treadwell. Tunsil and RK will be top 5 picks most likely. That is very, very rare. Most "can't miss" kids are lucky to make 2nd team all SEC.
I'm not sure that's rolling snake eyes. It's in order to give HF and staff some credit. They developed those 5*s into first round draft choices.
To compare, State got a great 5* in Chris Jones in that same class, and developed him into a fatass who may not even be in a position to declare for the draft this year.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:21 am to WorkinDawg
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But as you eloquently stated, you guys have a lot of building left if you want to go from a 9 win team to a 10-11 win team.
Agreed
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:29 am to No Colors
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I'm not sure that's rolling snake eyes. It's in order to give HF and staff some credit. They developed those 5*s into first round draft choices.
To compare, State got a great 5* in Chris Jones in that same class, and developed him into a fatass who may not even be in a position to declare for the draft this year.
If you guys continue to get kids like Tunsil and RK (and I think you will) you'll see how rare it is. There is simply no way to tell how a kid responds when he's not the best player on the field 100% of the time.
I'll bet you tailgate coacktails at the next UGA/ Ole Miss game that Little will not get drafted as high as Tunsil...and I'll give you the push. Deal?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:28 pm to Billy Mays
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That consistency comes from a complete program culture change and multiple top recruiting classes.
The culture change issue is really what worries me. I love Freeze as a coach, but I'm concerned he's not a long-term solution. While Bielema and Butch seem to be focused on developing machines, Freeze seems to be burning at both ends by implementing a system that relies on a quick infusion of talent combined with a systemic disruptive coaching philosophy. It's not easily sustainable, especially when your opponents, many of whom have equal or greater overall talent, can adjust because they possess greater depth of talent.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:31 pm to WorkinDawg
You can look back yourself at the last few cycles and how the number rated OT fared in the draft. I think the worst was a second rounder. That's not to say Little is as good as Tunsil it's merely to say that you can't outdrink us pussy
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:33 pm to randomways
Freeze isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. He routinely gets outcoached. Once every year we inexplicably get blown out. If he can develop consistent preparation techniques then we can be a true contender.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:51 pm to lsufball19
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and ole miss doesn't have oregon money
Phil Knight's daughter is attending Ole Miss. He's been in Oxford several times for games. So bite your tongue, sir.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 12:53 pm to WorkinDawg
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I'll bet you tailgate coacktails at the next UGA/ Ole Miss game that Little will not get drafted as high as Tunsil...and I'll give you the push. Deal?
Wow, what an even bet. Laremy Tunsil projects as the #1 overall pick in some mock drafts. He likely doesn't fall farther than 3rd overall. I would be stoked if Greg Little is 75% of the machine that Tunsil was.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 1:12 pm to PharmacistReb
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Wow, what an even bet. Laremy Tunsil projects as the #1 overall pick in some mock drafts. He likely doesn't fall farther than 3rd overall. I would be stoked if Greg Little is 75% of the machine that Tunsil was.
That was kind of the point Pharm. Not every great high school player is LT or RnK. In fact 99.99999999% aren't. And Ole Miss has 2 of those. Not likely to happen again no matter how well you recruit.
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