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Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:24 pm to WAOMrebears
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The amount of delusional SEC fans on here is ridiculous.
While I can agree Duke can stay behind in the ACC it would be unlikely that UNC would remain in a fragile state when they have the options of the B1G and SEC. Look at it this way based on non basketball sports.
UNC would see better attendance in baseball in the SEC with their opponents traveling better
UNC football is where the real numbers would become most evident. Right now they have a stadium with more seating than actual demand. If current seating is roughly 60,000 how many schools do they play in the ACC that can fill it? Look at the attendance numbers over the past few seasons:
2012 season
September 1 50,500
September 22 59,500
September 29 32,000
October 6 54,000
October 27 62,000 - NC State game
November 10 50,000
November 24 44,000
2011 season
September 3 57,000
September 10 53,000
September 17 55,000
October 8 51,500 - game against future ACC team U of L
October 15 60,000 - Miami game
October 29 57,000
November 26 58,500
2010 season
September 4 68,919 - LSU game in Georgia Dome
September 18 58,500
October 2 60,000
October 9 60,000
October 30 51,000
November 13 60,000
November 20 60,000
In their current conference they are having a hard time selling out the current seating but in the SEC they could see a stadium expansion to 70K - 80K seats and the ability to actually fill them with SEC match ups.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:24 pm to tider04
Where would you say the boosters money goes at Duke/UNC? Think thats an obvious question. Now who do you think has the better basketball conference? Another obvious question.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:25 pm to engie
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Exactly. What a stupid argument.
Brilliant logic. Comparing A&M to UNC/Duke.
Their situations are 100% different.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:25 pm to WAOMrebears
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The ACC is ADDING teams. Yes, they lost Maryland, which was a huge surprise to everyone, but they added three schools just as good if not better.
Why have they raised their buyouts each of the past 2 years -- to $20 mil and then to $50 mil -- if they weren't worried as shite about being raided for all their best teams by the B1G and SEC?
Care to guess what the SEC buyout is?
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:25 pm to engie
The ACC won't die. It's been around too long and the members are too attached to each other. Big 12 dies (eventually), ACC lives.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:25 pm to engie
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That administration still has to answer to those fans though. No way they can ever push through a decision that 90% of their fanbase ABSOLUTELY hates and would rally against.
There would be riots in Chapel Hill if they ended up in the B1G and NCState got the SEC invite...
Hope you are right, but I live in NC and don't see it playing out that way.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:26 pm to Bama Bird
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The ACC won't die. It's been around too long and the members are too attached to each other. Big 12 dies (eventually), ACC lives.
It will certainly be one or the other. But the Big12 just secured a really nice TV deal, did they not?
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:26 pm to tider04
It's not happening in the next 5 years, but dominoes will fall that kill the Big 12
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:28 pm to tider04
Big12 secured the next 12 years of their future with the grant of rights in their tv deal. They are locked in for at least that long.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:29 pm to tider04
These people arguing that the ACC is falling apart and UNC or Duke will join the SEC are just homers. Have no actual grip on the relationship that many of the teams and their fan bases have with the ACC, especially Duke and UNC.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:29 pm to Bama Bird
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It's not happening in the next 5 years, but dominoes will fall that kill the Big 12
I think it's 50/50 at best. Odds are worse for ACC right now in my mind.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:31 pm to tider04
What is the ACC's tv deal with ESPN? I know it was agreed upon a some years back but remember it being several billion and figure there is at least 10 years left on the contract.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:31 pm to WAOMrebears
It's called the SEC delusion.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:32 pm to tider04
And really, what do TV deals mean now anyway? This is what's really important IMO
It's just all too money driven anyway, and I hate it
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The cable network said the Big 12’s per-year average is slightly less than the Pac-12 Conference’s $21 million per- school media rights deal and on par with the Big Ten’s per- school average
It's just all too money driven anyway, and I hate it
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:32 pm to WAOMrebears
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These people arguing that the ACC is falling apart and UNC or Duke will join the SEC are just homers. Have no actual grip on the relationship that many of the teams and their fan bases have with the ACC, especially Duke and UNC
Maryland just left. FSU and Clemson fought the buyout to leave the conference. It's common knowledge that several ACC schools have had conversations with the SEC and Big10. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see alot of smoke coming from the ACC. Could they right the ship and save the conference as the Big 12 did last year when it appeared they were doomed? Sure. But the ACC and Big12 will not both be viable 5 years from now. And the Big12 just secured a great TV deal which brings them more stability which is why you see strong football schools like TCU and WVU going there instead of the ACC.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:33 pm to engie
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UNC/Duke is just an ESPN-manufactured basketball-only rivalry of the last 20 years. A "rivalry" like this isn't even a real thing until it spans multiple coaches and generations. UNC/DUKE are still in the first generation of their rivalry
+ 1,000
Folks on here fail to study history at their own peril.
UNC and NC State had 2 NCAA banners each before Duke got their first 1. UNC has won NCAA titles under multiple coaches as has NC State. Duke has only hung a banner under a single coach. NC State was the basketball school that started Tobacco Road in the first place and unlike Duke they have an arena capacity that greatly exceeds Duke's that can easily return them to basketball prominence.
Sure Wooden had UCLA at the top for a decade but they were not there before that and have not returned to that dominance since. Duke post coach K could easily be another UCLA in how far they have fallen.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:33 pm to WAOMrebears
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The casual fan would not even know any of those schools were rivalries. Everyone knows the Duke/UNC rivalry
I really hope you are no older than 8 to make that comment. EVERYONE knows of those rivals.
And for the rest of this. I am in the camp that thinks Duke and UNC would like to stay together, but are not tied together. Yes they don't bring as much as UVA, but making the SEC the best basketball conference, does add value outside of just NC markets. Duke is a national name with fans all over the country. I still prefer UVA though, because that is a bigger rivalry to many of the fans of both schools. Only the younger fans think of VT/Duke as bigger rivals to their teams.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:34 pm to WAOMrebears
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What is the ACC's tv deal with ESPN? I know it was agreed upon a some years back but remember it being several billion and figure there is at least 10 years left on the contract.
ACC schools get about 17 million a year from their current TV deal. The new SEC deal will pay out between 30-50 million per year per school. That is a MASSIVE gap.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:39 pm to tider04
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Hope you are right, but I live in NC and don't see it playing out that way.
Roughly the same amount of money to me/the SEC either way, I just prefer UNC for obvious reasons -- and I spent a few years in NC working for RCR, so I know the UNC mentality all too well...
IMO they talk about the academic importance to portray themselves as better than the SEC in some way. If you sit back and say, "OK -- the ACC is dying -- you have the option of the B1G or the SEC for equal money. If you go to the B1G, the SEC is taking NC State -- and I hope you've paid attention to what's been happening down in Texas" they would all honestly tell you there is NO way they ever want to be in the B1G. They are also MUCH more like UGA and UF culturally than they are ANY school in the B1G. UNC fans have become MUCH more dead set on the SEC(or moreover -- not letting any other team in NC into the SEC) given the aTm example.
What's funny is that UNC going to the B1G would screw the very team that everyone is alleging they are trying to protect(Duke). Duke would be without any good landing places in that scenario.
The only way this works out for the "Big 3" in North Carolina if the ACC fails is for UNC to be in the SEC, Duke to be in the B1G, and NC State to be in eastern division of the Big12 along with FSU, Clemson, Louisville, West Va, and probably 1 or 2 more)
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