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re: North Carolina AD wants 40% increase in UNC's athletic revenues
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:37 am to GoldenFlakes
Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:37 am to GoldenFlakes
Evidently UNC is putting together a panel of "distinguished leaders in higher education and athletics" to discuss the role of athletics at UNC. It's going to consist of Hunter Rawlings (the AAU president), Amy Perko (the executive director of the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics), Bob Malekoff (associate professor and sport studies chair at Guilford College), Patricia Timmons-Goodson (a Board of Trustee at Guilford College), and one Jim Delany. LINK
The fact that they have asked the B1G commissioner and the president of the AAU to be on this panel to discuss the role of athletics at UNC has me a little concerned that the B1G might have the inside track on getting UNC.
The fact that they have asked the B1G commissioner and the president of the AAU to be on this panel to discuss the role of athletics at UNC has me a little concerned that the B1G might have the inside track on getting UNC.
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 8:40 am to BigD Ag
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I agree, if at all possible. Two schools from one state would not help our business model nearly as much as adding a school from NC and another from Virginia. This is especially important with the SEC network and its revenues.
I don't think it is as important as everyone is making it out to be. Duke is a blue blood in basketball, and taking them both would be delivering the biggest rivalry in college basketball. Seems like a no brainer.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 9:56 am to TeLeFaWx
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I don't think it is as important as everyone is making it out to be. Duke is a blue blood in basketball, and taking them both would be delivering the biggest rivalry in college basketball. Seems like a no brainer.
It is lunacy to think the SEC would even seriously consider going in that direction -- at the expense of the 14 existing schools. Bringing Duke along with UNC would literally be taking money out of every one of our pockets -- as well as their own(compared to bringing the NC market to a 16+ team B1G).
If you think Slive covets Duke -- who costs us money -- over his alma mater(UVA) who makes everyone another $10 mil/school, I really don't know what to tell you...
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 9:58 am to engie
UVA and UNC would be a coup
Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:14 am to mrbroker
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I would like to hook up with Cindy Crawford.
Is it 1995?
Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:22 am to engie
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It is lunacy to think the SEC would even seriously consider going in that direction -- at the expense of the 14 existing schools. Bringing Duke along with UNC would literally be taking money out of every one of our pockets -- as well as their own(compared to bringing the NC market to a 16+ team B1G).
If you think Slive covets Duke -- who costs us money -- over his alma mater(UVA) who makes everyone another $10 mil/school, I really don't know what to tell you...
Your implication that Duke costs us money is based on what exactly? If we want a Virgina school so badly why don't we get Virginia Commonwealth? Duke wouldn't cost us money. You're stupid to think so.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:35 am to TeLeFaWx
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Your implication that Duke costs us money is based on what exactly? If we want a Virgina school so badly why don't we get Virginia Commonwealth? Duke wouldn't cost us money. You're stupid to think so.
This is the single most moronic post I've seen in realignment talk period -- and that is saying something.
Yes, Duke would cost us money. I've explained this shite to you 10 times already, so I know you are not going to "get it" now. North Carolina brings the NC tv markets. Duke falls in the SAME markets. So HOW the frick does Duke bring in any additional money? Or more precisely, how do they cancel the $100mil+/yr that a Virginia team brings in tv revenue? We can't charge DOUBLE there simply because we've got 2 teams. That's right -- they don't bring shite to the table -- just another hand in the same cookie jar = smaller pieces for everybody = NEVER going to fricking happen.
Contrasted to a Virginia or Va Tech -- who gives us a new market work $8-10mil/team additional money.
frick, if we wanted into Texas so badly, why didn't we just grab Houston in 1992? That's exactly what your stupid arse VCU comparison implies...
This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:37 am to GoldenFlakes
this is getting out of control. we need to kick all newbs out and go back to 10 team conference.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 10:40 am to engie
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This is the single most moronic post I've seen in realignment talk period -- and that is saying something.
Yes, Duke would cost us money. I've explained this shite to you 10 times already, so I know you are not going to "get it" now. North Carolina brings the NC tv markets. Duke falls in the SAME markets. So HOW the frick does Duke bring in any additional money? Or more precisely, how do they cancel the $100mil+/yr that a Virginia team brings in tv revenue? We can't charge DOUBLE there simply because we've got 2 teams. That's right -- they don't bring shite to the table -- just another hand in the same cookie jar = smaller pieces for everybody = NEVER going to fricking happen.
Contrasted to a Virginia or Va Tech -- who gives us a new market work $8-10mil/team additional money.
frick, if we wanted into Texas so badly, why didn't we just grab Houston in 1992? That's exactly what your stupid arse VCU comparison implies...
Money isn't solely derived from number of households in a geographic footprint. That is the whole point of my VCU. I'm glad it went straight over your heard. Duke/UNC is the number one college basketball game in the country year in and year out. That would become sole property of the SEC, and that has intrinsic value. You are a moron to think otherwise.
And Houston actually was a party the SEC was interested in for expansion, but South Carolina took their spot.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 11:07 am to TeLeFaWx
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Money isn't solely derived from number of households in a geographic footprint.
The VAST majority of total tv revenue for the SEC will be derived this way in the future. For Duke to be a worthwhile addition to the conference, you would have to show that the value of those two basketball games outweigh ALL the tv markets in fricking Virginia. News flash -- that game brings in 4mil viewers 2x/yr in the best year on record. Anotherwords, it has LESS true value to tv than one Outback Bowl.
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That is the whole point of my VCU.
What is? Are you HONESTLY trying to tell me that UNC doesn't bring the ENTIRE North Carolina market? Because that's the only way that dumbass comparison even makes sense. Fact - less than 20% of North Carolina residents are Duke fans. It's(by far) the 3rd most popular brand in it's own state.
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Duke/UNC is the number one college basketball game in the country year in and year out. That would become sole property of the SEC, and that has intrinsic value.
Sure it does -- LESS VALUE than ONE TIER 3 BOWL GAME.
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 11:22 am to engie
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The VAST majority of total tv revenue for the SEC will be derived this way in the future
No. It won't.
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For Duke to be a worthwhile addition to the conference, you would have to show that the value of those two basketball games outweigh ALL the tv markets in fricking Virginia.
That isn't the argument I am making. You are in idiot to think that the only thing added is two basketball games.
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Sure it does -- LESS VALUE than ONE TIER 3 BOWL GAME.
And it isn't all it would bring. Duke/Kentucky, Duke/Florida, etc. You are basing everything on markets, when that simply isn't the case as you are suggesting. On top of that, the SEC would unanimously become the best basketball conference in the country, and the trickle down effect for great schools being in the conference with less schools is nothing to scoff at. The SEC logo painted on Cameron's floors would be good for every school doing the same. The fact that Mississippi State ranks in the top half of football programs in the country is a testament solely to conference prestige. "Nothing is added to the pot". Well if this is the sole reason for expansion, why aren't Tulsa, Cincinatti, VCU and Rutgers all targets of Slive? Duke is a national brand in basketball. Hell, it helps make UNC what it is. Great rivalries make teams great. Duke/UNC would be a prize. You are an absolute moron to suggest the things you are suggesting. You might believe that UVA brings something more to the table, and that is certainly an argument I could entertain, but you are an absolute imbecile to say that a college basketball BLUE BLOOD brings nothing to the table. That is like saying Alabama would bring nothing to the table since we already have Auburn. So stupid.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 11:25 am to InVolNerable
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I don't see both UNC and Duke coming. I think it's one or the other.
They're pretty much a package deal. Hard to imagine one of them leaving the ACC, impossible to imagine one of them doing it alone.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 11:26 am to memphstigers23
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UNC > mizzou
Herpes = Ole Miss
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:16 pm to TigerMattSTL
GOOD ONE BRUH
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:47 pm to engie
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Yes, Duke would cost us money. I've explained this shite to you 10 times already, so I know you are not going to "get it" now. North Carolina brings the NC tv markets. Duke falls in the SAME markets.
I agree but disagree.
UNC = public university with southern roots and lots of living alumni
Dook = private university with northern ties and very few living alumni
UNC has a national following and a strong following in NC and the south in ALL sports.
Dook's national following is based solely on 1 sport (basketball) and 1 coach (coach K) on folks watching them in the hope they will lose.
2 different dynamics and 2 different audiences. A similar dynamic exists in the state of Indiana between Indiana, Purdue, and Notre Dame. Notre Dame draws far more viewers outside the state of Indiana than it does inside the borders of the state. While adding Notre Dame is a no brainer for most conferences Duke is less predictable based on several factors:
Football $$$$ > Basketball $$$$ = advantage Notre Dame
Notre Dame history > Duke history = advantage Notre Dame
Notre Dame fans > Duke fans = advantage Notre Dame, jus sidewalk catholics exceed the Duke sidewalk fans by a huge margin
Duke to the SEC is just another mouth to feed especially one coach K calls it quits. Duke football has a negative value and that will not improve in the SEC. Long term UNC is the better predictor of future value but Duke could easily return to mediocre basketball. If NC State had not fallen they would still be the primary rival of UNC in basketball and is still the primary rival in the remaining sports.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:54 pm to TeLeFaWx
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No. It won't.
SECnetwork projects to be worth $360mil in year one. That's MORE than our current tier1 and tier2 contracts. Yes, the money from that network will DWARF the other contract by the time the network is fully instituted.
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That isn't the argument I am making. You are in idiot to think that the only thing added is two basketball games.
So, you are saying Texas should be added when they come calling? They certainly bring a hell of alot more to the conference overall than Duke does...and more national viewership as well. Hell, why aren't we adding FSU and Clemson? THOSE teams put more football eyeballs on the TV on any given Saturday than Duke basketball does for half a season. See how stupid the argument is? The SEC will NEVER AGAIN add 2 teams from the same state -- much less teams from the same metropolitan area. Not. Going. To. Happen.
Duke does not bring 1/10 of what Virginia or Virginia Tech actually brings to the conference. Not in reality. Your hypotheticals mean jack shite when I'm giving you hard numbers.
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And it isn't all it would bring. Duke/Kentucky, Duke/Florida, etc.
All worth 1/10 of Va Tech/Florida, Va Tech/aTm, Va Tech/LSU, etc on Saturdays in the fall.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 12:58 pm to engie
The amount of delusional SEC fans on here is ridiculous. UNC nor Duke will ever leave the ACC, especially with all of the basketball power houses moving into the ACC (Louisville, Syracuse, Pittsburg, Notre Dame, possibly UConn). With those moves, the ACC revenue will go up and therefor he will get his 40%. There is far too much history between Duke and UNC and them to the ACC. Those are basketball schools, not football schools. ACC is 10X bigger into basketball than the ACC and 10X more competitive, especially with the new additions. Them leaving the ACC would be like saying LSU or Alabama leaving the SEC. Will never happen.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:01 pm to engie
UNC and UVA are too snoody for the SEC. They will go with the Big10. SEC will end up taking VT and NCSU to get into the VA and NC markets. Watch and see.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:03 pm to WAOMrebears
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The amount of delusional SEC fans on here is ridiculous. UNC nor Duke will ever leave the ACC, especially with all of the basketball power houses moving into the ACC (Louisville, Syracuse, Pittsburg, Notre Dame, possibly UConn). With those moves, the ACC revenue will go up and therefor he will get his 40%. There is far too much history between Duke and UNC and them to the ACC. Those are basketball schools, not football schools. ACC is 10X bigger into basketball than the ACC and 10X more competitive, especially with the new additions. Them leaving the ACC would be like saying LSU or Alabama leaving the SEC. Will never happen.
The ACC may not be viable long-term. If that happens, they will all be scrambling looking for new homes.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:04 pm to Cheese Grits
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Cheese Grits
Exactly.
People alleging that UNC and Duke are a "package deal" are simply not informed about realignment and looking at this realistically. The only way they both end up taken care of is for UNC to be in the SEC and Duke to be in the B1G. Niether conference is taking them both.
In reality, it's much more likely that UNC ties themselves to Virginia in the package deal -- that is the South's Oldest Rivalry and is their REAL longstanding every sport and academic rival.
UNC/Duke is just an ESPN-manufactured basketball-only rivalry of the last 20 years. A "rivalry" like this isn't even a real thing until it spans multiple coaches and generations. UNC/DUKE are still in the first generation of their rivalry -- while UNC/UVA have been major rivals since inception. LINK
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