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Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:40 pm to WAOMrebears
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:40 pm to WAOMrebears
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These people arguing that the ACC is falling apart and UNC or Duke will join the SEC are just homers. Have no actual grip on the relationship that many of the teams and their fan bases have with the ACC, especially Duke and UNC.
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Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:40 pm to engie
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There would be riots in Chapel Hill if they ended up in the B1G and NCState got the SEC invite...
I'm not 100% on how it works, but I do know the UNC system would have a say in wherever NCSU goes, since they are in UNC system. They maybe wouldn't care if UNC is safely in the Big 10, but I do believe there is no way in hell UNC let's NCSU go to the SEC without already being in the Big 10
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:41 pm to tider04
Delusional SEC homers.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:43 pm to engie
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The only way this works out for the "Big 3" in North Carolina if the ACC fails is for UNC to be in the SEC, Duke to be in the B1G, and NC State to be in the Big12...
If the ACC breaks up, I predict UNC to Big10, NCSU to SEC and Duke is left scrambling and either joins the Big12, Pac12 or the new Catholic basketball conference as a last resort.
This post was edited on 4/16/13 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:44 pm to WAOMrebears
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These people arguing that the ACC is falling apart and UNC or Duke will join the SEC are just homers. Have no actual grip on the relationship that many of the teams and their fan bases have with the ACC, especially Duke and UNC.
yes, but no.... I'm keenly aware of the fondness that UNC and Duke have for the old ACC. I grew up watching the ACC. I went the ACC tournament in the 80's when there were only 8 teams, which is what UNC and Duke relish. they both voted against adding FSU and all later expansions. but the ACC country club based in Greensboro no longer exists. it's totally different w/ BC, Miami, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville. UNC and Duke no longer run the show. next year will probably be the last year the basketball tourney is held in Greensboro. soon it will be in MSG. if Louisville and Syracuse run the table to the championship like they will be expected to, it will be the official end of the ACC. I don't think UNC (& Duke) want to be part of it. it won't be that they are leaving the ACC, because the ACC as they knew it no longer exists.
my bet is that once UMd resolves their buyout issue w/ the ACC, UVA and UNC will go to the Big10. UNC wants to bring Duke w/ them, but Duke has no value in the conference valuation, so UNC will have to make a sophie's choice and leave w/o them.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:46 pm to winyahpercy
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yes, but no.... I'm keenly aware of the fondness that UNC and Duke have for the old ACC. I grew up watching the ACC. I went the ACC tournament in the 80's when there were only 8 teams, which is what UNC and Duke relish. they both voted against adding FSU and all later expansions. but the ACC country club based in Greensboro no longer exists. it's totally different w/ BC, Miami, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville. UNC and Duke no longer run the show. next year will probably be the last year the basketball tourney is held in Greensboro. soon it will be in MSG. if Louisville and Syracuse run the table to the championship like they will be expected to, it will be the official end of the ACC. I don't think UNC (& Duke) want to be part of it. it won't be that they are leaving the ACC, because the ACC as they knew it no longer exists.
my bet is that once UMd resolves their buyout issue w/ the ACC, UVA and UNC will go to the Big10. UNC wants to bring Duke w/ them, but Duke has no value in the conference valuation, so UNC will have to make a sophie's choice and leave w/o them.
Exactly, which will leave the SEC to take VT and NCSU. As I've said all along.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:46 pm to winyahpercy
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if Louisville and Syracuse run the table to the championship like they will be expected to, it will be the official end of the ACC. I don't think UNC (& Duke) want to be part of it.
So you make the ACC more competitive in basketball and now UNC/Duke want nothing to do with the ACC? I don't understand that logic.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:46 pm to engie
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frick, if we wanted into Texas so badly, why didn't we just grab Houston in 1992? That's exactly what your stupid arse VCU comparison implies...
Houston wasn't taken b/c of all the probation issues in the SWC
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:48 pm to Tiger Live2
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I'm not 100% on how it works, but I do know the UNC system would have a say in wherever NCSU goes, since they are in UNC system. They maybe wouldn't care if UNC is safely in the Big 10, but I do believe there is no way in hell UNC let's NCSU go to the SEC without already being in the Big 10
That's just an oversight board that appropriates and approves state funding. The two scools have separate Boards of Regents and are fully separate entities in reality.
The exact same thing is true in Mississippi -- as all contracts and state funding for all of OM, MSU, and USM have to go through the same IHL board -- but we are about as far from a single university or each other's control as you can possibly be.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:50 pm to engie
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So you make the ACC more competitive in basketball and now UNC/Duke want nothing to do with the ACC? I don't understand that logic
Alot of this "logic" is mind boggling.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:50 pm to winyahpercy
All of this is not going to happen without the Pac 12 responding. The SEC and B1G aren't going to get to 16 without the Pac 12 doing something.
My guess is, the Pac 12 will be the next to move. The B1G and SEC are already at 14. When the SEC deal goes through, and the Big Ten deal is re-done to include Maryland and Rutgers, the Pac 12 will be forced to respond. Where do they turn? Texas. Once again, it will come down to whether Texas makes the move or not.
The Pac 12 knows that if the ACC falls, the Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12 all get 14+. And they would be stuck at 12. They aren't going to let that happen, even if it costs a lot
My guess is, the Pac 12 will be the next to move. The B1G and SEC are already at 14. When the SEC deal goes through, and the Big Ten deal is re-done to include Maryland and Rutgers, the Pac 12 will be forced to respond. Where do they turn? Texas. Once again, it will come down to whether Texas makes the move or not.
The Pac 12 knows that if the ACC falls, the Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12 all get 14+. And they would be stuck at 12. They aren't going to let that happen, even if it costs a lot
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:52 pm to tider04
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If the ACC breaks up, I predict UNC to Big10, NCSU to SEC and Duke is left scrambling and either joins the Big12, Pac12 or the new Catholic basketball conference as a last resort.
Like I say -- if this happens, Duke is basically screwed...
Duke has now started taking conference realignment seriously as well, since they are pumping crazy money into facilities and programs right now in attempt to become competitive. They are fully aware of their own position IMO...
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:54 pm to Bama Bird
The SEC is going to be the only conference to come out of realignment improving their academics. The other conferences are typically dropping a few rankings by adding.
Currently the SEC has an US Today ranking of - 98.7
If they add UNC/Virginia - 89.8
If they add UNC/Duke - 88.8
ACC is dropping by adding Louisville and/or losing their top schools
B1G is dropping by adding Rutgers and Maryland slightly.
Currently the SEC has an US Today ranking of - 98.7
If they add UNC/Virginia - 89.8
If they add UNC/Duke - 88.8
ACC is dropping by adding Louisville and/or losing their top schools
B1G is dropping by adding Rutgers and Maryland slightly.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:55 pm to engie
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in attempt to become competitive.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 1:58 pm to engie
They would still get a vote. UVA and VT don't have that tie, but UVA was still forced to vote against expansion plans that didn't include VT because of political pressure. That's the only reason VT even got into the ACC to begin with.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 2:00 pm to engie
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Like I say -- if this happens, Duke is basically screwed...
Duke has now started taking conference realignment seriously as well, since they are pumping crazy money into facilities and programs right now in attempt to become competitive. They are fully aware of their own position IMO...
Outside of their basketball program, they have very little to offer in terms of athletics. They also have a small fan base compared to UNC and NCSU. They are in big trouble unless they make some big moves soon.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 2:02 pm to tider04
Dear God, you are retarded.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 2:08 pm to WAOMrebears
Do y'all realize that Duke has been a basketball powerhouse for 30 years, a great lacross school (yes northern states care about that), a good soccer and tennis team, and an academic powerhouse since it was founded. It has rich history and has an unbelievably wealthy alumni. Under any circumstances do I think that the ACC will fall apart but I know for a 100% fact that Duke will never be in trouble.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 2:13 pm to TheOcean
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if Louisville and Syracuse run the table to the championship like they will be expected to, it will be the official end of the ACC. I don't think UNC (& Duke) want to be part of it.
So you make the ACC more competitive in basketball and now UNC/Duke want nothing to do with the ACC? I don't understand that logic.
perfectly logically. UNC & Duke want control, whether it is political control w/ their handpicked commissioner Swofford, or dominance on the court. politically, the tobacco road schools are now in the minority which is now skewed from upstate NY to Miami... hardly NC centric. ACC basketball will be better for the average fan, but the Duke & UNC finesse will not be able to keep up w/ the athletic teams that Louisville, Pitt & Syracuse will put on the court. UNC & Duke can hold their own when the play these teams on occasion, but when the conference play starts in December, they will have a hard time keeping up.
but the bottom line is, if they aren't in control w/ the ACC and their basketball programs are not keeping up with Louisville & Syracuse, they might as well go for the $$$ w/ the Big 10.
USC's falling out w/ the ACC started when they became as basketball power under McGuire. In 1969, we won the ACC. In 1970, we were the undefeated #1 seed going into the tournament (beating all ACC schools by more than 10pts during the season) but lost to NCSU in double OT in the championship game. but during this run, Duke and UNC keep trying to change the rules against USC to make recruits ineligible. By 1971, we quit the ACC. Maryland referenced the tobacco road influence when they left the ACC for the B10.
Posted on 4/16/13 at 2:20 pm to winyahpercy
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Duke & UNC finesse will not be able to keep up w/ the athletic teams that Louisville, Pitt & Syracuse will put on the court.
This blows my mind. Duke and UNC have more national championships in the past 20 years than those schools have in since 1930.
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