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Posted on 5/14/15 at 6:03 pm to DingDongEddieStrong
I don't think one game shows how a good a defense is. That same defense also gave up 42 pts and 400+ yds to TCU and 30 pts to Arkansas.
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Posted on 5/14/15 at 6:05 pm to JesusQuintana
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Charted the first several plays here and wondering why I'm supposed to be wowed.
Play 1- washed out by guard in pass pro, late chip by center. For those that don't football this is a very standard pass block scheme when no one covers the C on the DL. Wait for a late blitz up the middle and if you don't have anyone to block just chip the closest guy. Not a double team
Play 2- tried to cut w RB. Makes play at los. No double
Play 3- stunt, pushed wide by t. Not in play. No double
Play 4- not in play, 4 TD gain to his size. No double
Play 5- penetration, chip by TE. Not really in the play
Play 6- penetration, hold on the guard. Not in play. No double
Play 7- playing DE. Strong bull rush forces early throw/inc. no double
Play 8- unblocked on zone read. Third guy to gang tackle. No double
Play 9- gets a little push. Sack by DE. No double
Play 10- penetration, forces QB scramble. No double
Play 11- not in play, 15 yard gain to his side. No double
Play 12- DE. RB beats him to edge for 7. No double
Play 13- not in play. No double
Play 14- not in play. Inside pass rush to a mass of bodies.
Play 15- combo block. Pushed out for gain of 8.
Play 16- DE good penetration but play was to opposite side. No double
Play 17- can't get off block, gain of 2. No double
Play 18- DE. Not in play. No double
Play 19- DE. Just stands there. No double
Play 20- DT, gets off block to make stop at los. No double
Granted, I only made notes on 20 plays but I do not believe you even watched the video. He was most certainly, without a doubt, not double teamed on 16 of the first 20 plays. Chipped twice, once ran himself into a heap of bodies, and once blocked on a designed combo block.
Where the hell were you when I was having my bitch fest with joeyb about what a double team is?
Posted on 5/14/15 at 7:04 pm to CajunTiger_225
The ncaa says we had the best defense....
Unless you're talking about garbage fluff stats like total yardage. Lsu fans bragging about having the best defense is like someone bragging about their defense having the most pass deflections.
....no one gives a shite about yardage other than lsu fans. Wins and losses are determined by points. Sorry if you don't understand that
Unless you're talking about garbage fluff stats like total yardage. Lsu fans bragging about having the best defense is like someone bragging about their defense having the most pass deflections.
....no one gives a shite about yardage other than lsu fans. Wins and losses are determined by points. Sorry if you don't understand that
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:47 pm to REBEL5 AC
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Wasted? We had the #1 defense last year? Lolol
You were neither no 1 or no 2 in either Total Defense, Rush Defense, or Pass Defense.
LSU was the best defense in the SEC last year.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:50 pm to pankReb
10-7. Hopefully you understand that
Posted on 5/14/15 at 8:50 pm to LSUBearD
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10-7. Hopefully you understand that
BOOM!!!
Posted on 5/14/15 at 9:06 pm to WalkingTurtles
Ark. probably had a better defense than Ole Miss by the end of the year as well
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:39 am to LSUBearD
That our defense gave up below our average ppg to lsu?
Congrats on helping distance ourselves as the number one defense in the nation. Maybe lsu is the reason why we still retained that honor after our late season collapse.
Congrats on helping distance ourselves as the number one defense in the nation. Maybe lsu is the reason why we still retained that honor after our late season collapse.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 12:41 am to WalkingTurtles
Neither of those three defensive rankings mean shite. You can spin it all you want. Your defense gave up more points than ours last season.
And that's the defense's job. Congrats on being the garbage stats national champs.
And that's the defense's job. Congrats on being the garbage stats national champs.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 12:42 am
Posted on 5/15/15 at 3:46 am to agregime1
I hate Alabama, but A'Shawn Robinson is the better DT. I've never understood why they overrated Nkemdiche so much. It's as bad as the Bama LB they hyped all last offseason (who really did nothing), and Landon Collins, who is pretty much just a linebacker (which he could excel at).
Oh, and the nonsense of placing Deshawn Hand over Davon Godchaux for All SEC freshman DT.
Oh, and the nonsense of placing Deshawn Hand over Davon Godchaux for All SEC freshman DT.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 3:48 am
Posted on 5/15/15 at 4:41 am to pankReb
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The ncaa says we had the best defense....
Why do you keep saying this without a flinch? Not a single link exist from the NCAA that says Ole Miss#1 defense. No ones falling for it. However, when you search for the #1 defense for NCAA football the first link is Total Defense FBS NCAA.com Interesting.
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you're talking about garbage fluff stats like total yardage. Lsu fans bragging about having the best defense is like someone bragging about their defense having the most pass deflections.
This is almost to a tee exactly what ole miss fans and you are doing except, considering your attention span, I've only seen 2 LSU fan in this thread say we had the number #1 defense which we didnt but we led the SEC in total defense. you brought it up, so you salty or something?
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...no one gives a shite about yardage other than lsu fans. Wins and losses are determined by points. Sorry if you don't understand that
Im sorry that you cant understand that the only one claiming the # 1 D is chosen by scoring defense is the ole miss clan. You dont think it's strange that LSU fans arent the only ones fighting yalls idea on that? Or strange how espn said Clemson is #1 defense? Or strange that #1 defense in the NFL is specified by total defense? Weird.
You really are a typical half arse rantard who see's only what he wants to see. Both of these stats doesnt even really make the outcome of a season considering we went 8-5 and yall 9-4. For retrospect stanford had the #2 scoring defense and went 8-5 so i dont see the point of making that claim.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 4:49 am
Posted on 5/15/15 at 7:31 am to pankReb
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Neither of those three defensive rankings mean shite. You can spin it all you want. Your defense gave up more points than ours last season.
And that's the defense's job. Congrats on being the garbage stats national champs.
Know how I know you're not used to having a good defense?
None of those stats are garbage stats, and generally speaking when someone is referring to the "#1 ranked defense" - whether it be ESPN, Sports Illustrated, or a recruiting flier sent out by a school - they're talking about total defense (yards).
Scoring defense is not the determining factor in who has the #1 defense. You don't have to like it, that's just the way it is.
Now, you wanna know why?
I'll give you an example. 2011 Iron Bowl. Auburn scored 14 points, but they did it on a Kick Return and a fumble recovery in the endzone. Points get scored in a game that aren't the defense's fault - but it still goes against their "Scoring defense" stat.
Our defense had given up an average of 6.45 points per game, with only 2 SEC teams reaching double digits against us (14 and 10 respectively). After that game, the scoring defense went up to 7.08
That's why the total defense stat is used to determine who has the best defense. It gives a true, big picture look without any other outliers muddying the water - like special teams or defensive scores.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 8:11 am
Posted on 5/15/15 at 7:53 am to pankReb
Why can't Ole Miss fans admit they didn't have the best defense last year. No one else thinks they do.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 8:09 am to broadcaster
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Look at the big brother Nkemdiche tape at the Lsu game last year,Fournette hit him hard he broke his ankle! Fournette will be a nightmare this year for other teams Defenses
This is relevant. Thank you for this post.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 8:10 am to 1BamaRTR
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I don't think one game shows how a good a defense is.
True enough.
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That same defense also gave up 42 pts and 400+ yds to TCU and 30 pts to Arkansas.
And 10 points to that Lane Kiffin led Bama offense.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 8:11 am to 1BamaRTR
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Why can't Ole Miss fans admit they didn't have the best defense last year. No one else thinks they do.
I think most fans know we didn't have "the best" defense last year. We had a damn good one. Obviously our weakness was against power run schemes.
TCU just shite a brick on us. No idea what happened that day.
Posted on 5/15/15 at 8:45 am to Tuscaloosa
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Scoring defense is not the determining factor in who has the #1 defense. You don't have to like it, that's just the way it is.
While I agree, it's still the most important aspect of defense.
OM also has a claim to the best defense in the conference. Here is OM's conference rank in the 7 big areas of defense:
Scoring - 1st
Total - 4th
Turnovers - 1st
Red Zone - 3rd
Rushing - 5th
Passing - 3rd
3rd down - 1st
LSU:
Scoring - 2nd
Total - 1st
Turnovers - T-10th
Red Zone - 6th
Rushing - 7th
Passing - 1st
3rd Down - 5th
Bama:
Scoring - 3rd
Total - 3rd
Turnovers - T-10th
Red Zone - 8th
Rushing - 1st
Passing - 11th
3rd Down - 7th
All that said, Nkemdiche is still overrated as frick.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 8:46 am
Posted on 5/15/15 at 8:47 am to pankReb
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Neither of those three defensive rankings mean shite. You can spin it all you want. Your defense gave up more points than ours last season.
they kind of do, though. points allowed is also a reflection of field position and your offense moving the ball into opponents' territory or special teams performance. total defense, pass defense, and rush defense are solely on the defense
Posted on 5/15/15 at 8:52 am to RB10
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it's still the most important aspect of defense.
Theoretically, yes. But the statistic itself is subject to being impacted by factors outside of the defense's control, which is why it's not really fair to judge and compare a defense based on that stat.
Special teams scores, opposing defense scores, offensive turnovers inside your own territory, etc.
This post was edited on 5/15/15 at 8:54 am
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