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re: Nick Saban's 50 Best Players
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:21 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:21 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Do us a favor and post the criteria and tell us what part of the criteria you think Barrett Jones doesn't fit.
I'm not inclined to do your homework for you just because you're lazy, but I'll just leave it at this: Life after football. What the frick has Jones done compared to a Walter Camp MOTY?
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:38 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Do yourself a favor...go to the CFHOF website and look at the criteria. Much of it is based on life after football. Former Walter Payton and Walter Camp Man of the Year Dwight fricking Stephenson, whom the Bear called the greatest player he ever coached, isn't in.
That's probably because he was only a 2nd Team All-America selection in 1979. The rules say you have to be a 1st Team All-American for consideration.
It looks like someone didn't read the criteria.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 7:49 pm to BamaGradinTn
Yeah I've actually looked at the criteria, but you seemed to be confused about it.
As for what Jones has done after football, he was a 4 time academic all American and winner of the Walter Campbell award sometimes called the "Academic Heisman." I think it's pretty safe to say he might accomplish a thing or two in his life after football.
He's also a consensus All American, 3x time National champion, only the second person to ever win the Outland and the Rimington trophy and the only person to win both trophies at a different position.
If this guy can't get in the HOF, who can?
As for what Jones has done after football, he was a 4 time academic all American and winner of the Walter Campbell award sometimes called the "Academic Heisman." I think it's pretty safe to say he might accomplish a thing or two in his life after football.
He's also a consensus All American, 3x time National champion, only the second person to ever win the Outland and the Rimington trophy and the only person to win both trophies at a different position.
If this guy can't get in the HOF, who can?
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:02 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Julio, Eddie, Dareus were never 1st AAs. Henry smashed Trent's and Ingram's numbers along with winning 4 awards to their combined 2. Not to mention they probably played with much better OL.
They also were better RBs who just didn't get 400 carries. Lacy ran for 1,322 yards on 204 carries. Henry ran for ~900 more yards with an additional 190 carries. Lacy 6.48 ypc.. Henry 5.62.
In college.. Trent > Lacy > Ingram > Henry
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:08 pm to bmy
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They also were better RBs who just didn't get 400 carries.
They also ran behind some of the best offensive lines of the modern era and split carries between each other. Richardson was Ingram's back-up in 2009. Lacy backed up both of them in 2010. Richardson and Lacy split carries in 2011. Lacy and Yeldon both rushed for over 1,000 yards in 2012. Henry had no such back-up because Drake was hampered all season with injuries.
And the 2015 line, while good, could not open holes quite like the '09, '11, and '12 lines could.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 3/16/16 at 9:14 pm to RollTide1987
Bradie James should be top-ten. Absolute stud in college.
Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:05 pm to lsupride87
Let me make it simple for you.. No one else but an LSU fan would rate Reed's year in 2001 better than Cooper's in 2014. You're an absolute homer with which only some of your kind would agree. And no one else. If you were to add 54 points to LSUs 2001 season, the amount of which Cooper destroyed Reed by, LSU would have been an undefeated National Champion. Get the frick out of here. 
Posted on 3/17/16 at 4:57 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Yeah I've actually looked at the criteria, but you seemed to be confused about it.
As for what Jones has done after football, he was a 4 time academic all American and winner of the Walter Campbell award sometimes called the "Academic Heisman."
I'm confused? Kindly explain how Jones' academic performance at Alabama qualifies as life AFTER football. Am I wrong in assuming you understand what the term "POST football record" means? Life AFTER his football career...not outside of football.
Come on. You're not that stupid.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 5:10 am
Posted on 3/17/16 at 5:01 am to RollTide1987
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It looks like someone didn't read the criteria.
You mean this criteria?
"While each nominee’s football achievements in college are of prime consideration, his post football record as a citizen is also weighed. He must have proven himself worthy as a citizen, carrying the ideals of football forward into his relations with his community and fellow man."
Has Barrett Jones done one single thing post-football yet?
Stephenson, while selected first team AA by at least one organization, may not have been selected by what are considered the major organizations. Jones, on the other hand, has done nothing "post football".
Woodrow Lowe was a THREE TIME 1st team All-American...by a major organization each year (1973 FWAA, 1974-75 UPI),,,and he isn't in. Jones was ony twice. There's no telling how many other two-time AAs aren't in. You mistakenly assumed that the criteria was limited to what the player does during his college career.
John MItchell was a 1st team All-American and broke the color barrier at Alabama, and he isn't in. Why? Because he has done absolutely zero post-fotball.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 5:52 am
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:42 am to BamaGradinTn
I was simply responding to your mistaken belief that Stephenson should be in the Hall of Fame when he doesn't fit the criteria.
And yes, Woodrow Lowe is in the CFB Hall of Fame. He was inducted in 2009.
You are just failing all over the place.
And yes, Woodrow Lowe is in the CFB Hall of Fame. He was inducted in 2009.
You are just failing all over the place.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 10:44 am
Posted on 3/17/16 at 11:12 am to RollTide1987
Julio at number 18. Julio should be be a top 5 Player on this list.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 11:46 am to bmy
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They also were better RBs who just didn't get 400 carries. Lacy ran for 1,322 yards on 204 carries. Henry ran for ~900 more yards with an additional 190 carries. Lacy 6.48 ypc.. Henry 5.62.
In college.. Trent > Lacy > Ingram > Henry
That's debatable at best. You're assuming that Lacy and the others would've continued to average their YPC had their carries increased. I can make the argument that sharing the RB workload kept all of 'em much fresher throughout the season...Henry didn't have that luxury this year, especially after Drake got injured again...
There's a reason only 2 SEC RBs have even approached 400 carries a season: not many RBs can handle the wear and tear without injury. And it's no coincidence that both of those RBs were Heisman Trophy winners...
Posted on 3/17/16 at 4:01 pm to JuiceTerry
Let me make this simple for you
2030 yards in 13 games with 9 tds
is better than
1727 yards in 14 games with 16 tds
And you agree with that, and I can prove it. You started a thread saying Julio was the best receiver in the NFL this season. And yet, he had multiple players with 6 more tds than him in the same amount of games....
So it sounds like you are the hypocritical homer
2030 yards in 13 games with 9 tds
is better than
1727 yards in 14 games with 16 tds
And you agree with that, and I can prove it. You started a thread saying Julio was the best receiver in the NFL this season. And yet, he had multiple players with 6 more tds than him in the same amount of games....
So it sounds like you are the hypocritical homer
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 4:02 pm
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