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re: Nick Saban's 50 Best Players

Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:51 pm to
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:51 pm to
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Reed has the best receiving season in sec history. He has the 2nd best receiving career in Sec history.
WTF are you smoking?
Posted by Spinthemusic
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:55 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:56 pm to
I'm smoking facts

Reed has the #1 all time sec single season record for yards and yards per game

He is 5th all time in career yards, but 2nd all time in career yards per game

You were asking?
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 9:57 pm to
Bama has a better football program. What's your point?
Posted by Spinthemusic
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 10:05 pm to
My point and everyone else that have been trying to talk some sense into you is that you are overlooking parts of the criteria.

Winning pedigree and draft are figured into the results of the list yet you refuse to factor that in.
There are some players on that list that have multiple sec, & national championships along with heisman trophy winners as well as runner ups.

Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 10:06 pm to
I understand exactly what the criteria is.
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 10:07 pm to
So it's all about YPG? He's outside the top 50 in TDs. He's 30 in career receptions. 5th in career yards(that's good). So where are you getting 2nd best career? And saying his 2001 season was better than Cooper in 2014 is a looooong stretch. I'll take 30 more catches and 9 more TDs, Offensive POTY, Heisman finalist any day over a handful of YPG.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 10:11 pm
Posted by aspiclark
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 10:11 pm to
apparently not.
Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 10:13 pm to
The fact that Whitworth, Kyle Williams, and Laron Landry were left off of that list shows that its criteria is flawed at best.
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 10:15 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 10:21 pm to
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The fact that Whitworth, Kyle Williams, and Laron Landry were left off of that list shows that its criteria is flawed at best.



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(NOTE: players who reached peak performance after Saban left Michigan State or LSU — ex. Charles Rogers, LaRon Landry and Dwayne Bowe — do not qualify)
Posted by Spinthemusic
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 10:30 pm to
Reading comprehension does not seem to apply to the LSU fanbase.
Posted by TigerinKorea
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 10:43 pm to
That makes the criteria flawed. Laron was one of the best players on our defense in 2004, Saban's last year in BR, and started as a true freshmen on the 2003 national championship team. How is that not "peak performance?" I can understand Bowe's exclusion, but not Laron's.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/15/16 at 10:45 pm to
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That makes the criteria flawed. Laron was one of the best players on our defense in 2004, Saban's last year in BR, and started as a true freshmen on the 2003 national championship team. How is that not "peak performance?" I can understand Bowe's exclusion, but not Laron's.


LaRon Landry didn't make 1st Team All-SEC until 2005 and didn't make 1st Team All-American until 2006. Both seasons were after Saban had left for Miami.

Obviously that is pre-peak performance.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 8:01 am to
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And saying his 2001 season was better than Cooper in 2014 is a looooong stretch. I'll take 30 more catches and 9 more TDs,
Umm, let's go Lee game stats for those seasons:

Reed
8.3 rpg
152.2 ypg
18.3 ypr
0.84 TDpg

Cooper
8.9 rpg
123.4 ypg
13.9 ypr
1.2 TDpg

I'll take Reed. The 30 yards more a game is the biggest difference

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Offensive POTY, Heisman finalist any day over a handful of YPG.
You act like Reed wasn't the Bilitnekoff winner
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:16 am to
You act like Cooper wasn't.
And no, 9 TDs is a much bigger difference than 28.8 ypg. The object of the game is to score.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 11:27 am
Posted by BuddyLAM
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:25 am to
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Barrett Jones, Alabama


Way too high
Posted by Spinthemusic
Member since Feb 2016
381 posts
Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:45 am to

SEC Champion (2009, 2012)
BCS National Champion (2010, 2012, 2013)
Wuerffel Trophy (2011)
Outland Trophy (2011)
Jacobs Blocking Trophy (2011)
Jim Parker Trophy (2011)
First-team All-SEC (2011, 2012)
Consensus All-American (2011, 2012)
NCAA Division I Football Academic All-America Team Member of the Year (2012)
William V. Campbell Trophy (2012)
Rimington Trophy (2012)
NCAA Division I Academic All-America Team Member of the Year (2013)
Today's Top 10 Award (2014)

Add on top of all that is that he started at 3 different positions
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:46 am to
Yeah, BJ might be the most accoladed player to ever play for the Crimson Tide. Or for Nick Saban, for that matter.
This post was edited on 3/16/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Spinthemusic
Member since Feb 2016
381 posts
Posted on 3/16/16 at 11:57 am to
I agree.

I am curious as to what some of the other all time great college coaches top 50 list would look like compared to Saban's.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65055 posts
Posted on 3/16/16 at 12:54 pm to
Barrett Jones is a future College Football Hall of Famer.

He was an All-American at two or three different positions in his four years as a starter. Plus he won both the Rimington and the Outland.

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