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Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:34 am to CNB
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If we win ONE of the last 4 games we lost, were in.
I think you are right but it's tied to your OOC schedule. You were left with no room for error.
That's what everyone is saying.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:36 am to roadGator
I get it. I do. But the fact is, even with our shitty schedule we were one win away. One win over a shitty Mizzou team even. Or UGA at home
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:36 am to CNB
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Florida had good OOC losses, when do y'all play in the NCAAT?
This argument is terrible. You finish third in your league and don't make the tournament, it's because you blew it in scheduling. Don't know why this is so difficult to understand.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:37 am to CidCock
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And yet we finished 3RD in the conference, not 10th.
You finished tied in 3rd with 2 others teams in the 6th best conference. The SEC (RPI) was closer to the Summit (11th best conference) than it was the Big 12 (best conference) The SEC had 2 top 50 teams and that is it. The conference was terrible outside of the top 2. You only had 2 major opportunities to play very good teams and you did fine going 1-1, but then you followed it up with losses to 143 UT, 223 MU, & 152 MSU. You have no margin for error when you don't have a strong resume to fall back on.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:37 am to CidCock
I'm not laughing I'm pissed that you played a joke non conference schedule. You'd likely be in.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:37 am to CidCock
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It's all a money grab IMO. NCAA tries to reward teams for scheduling high profile TV match ups early in season when no one watches NCAA bball. Unfortunately for us, we aren't a marquee program so there is really no advantage for a top OOC team to risk playing us.
It is not a money grab.
You don't have to have marquee opponents to have a tougher OOC schedule.
Arkansas was not that good this year, but still managed a SOS of 66 overall, according to warren nolan.
Arkansas scheduled Akron(34), pre season NIT with Georgia Tech(69), Stanford(87), scheduled Evansville(97), and @Dayton(22).
You don't have to have the Duke's, UNC's, etc. to build yourself a solid RPI going forward.
Arkansas played 18 top 100 RPI teams this season, with six of those being in the top 50.
Now look at South Carolina. 14 games against the top 100, and only two against the top 50. Both of your top 50 games came in league play. You've gotta do better than that.
Not about a money grab, just about smart scheduling.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:38 am to CNB
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If we win ONE of the last 4 games we lost, were in.
I'm honestly not sure. Losing hurt exponentially more than winning that same game would have helped. Beating UGA on Senior Night, or beating Miss State in Starkville wouldn't have sealed the deal. USC likely needed to play in the SEC Championship game, and be competitive, in order to feel safely in the dance.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:40 am to CNB
The two are very closely intertwined is all I'm saying.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:40 am to Farmer1906
SC should have been in with Tulsa out. That said while it's not entirely Martin's fault the OOC schedule ended up being horrible. Vandy didn't do jack really in their OOC but 5 of those OOC losses were to teams that were in the RPI top 25
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:41 am to Dore5674
Vandy also has 2x as many top 50 wins and 0 outside the top 200 losses.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:42 am to CNB
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Florida had good OOC losses, when do y'all play in the NCAAT?
That one UF fan got your undies twisted.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:45 am to Hawgeye
I think this years South Carolina club was similar to the Arkansas 2013-2014 team.
Arkansas got left out, but they did go 4-5 against the RPI top 50. Won 20 games, but ended up in the NIT with an RPI of 67.
Arkansas had OOC wins that season over SMU(45), (neutral)Minnesota(34), and Clemson(65). So that was 3 pretty good wins OOC(2 top 50).
Arkansas had a problem later in the year though, just like SC this season. We lost to RPI 128 Alabama to close out the season and then lost to (139)South Carolina to open the SEC tourney. Even though Arkansas had won 8 of its last 10 to close the regular season with two top 50 wins in that stretch. The two bad losses to close the season outweighed all those late wins.
Arkansas got left out, but they did go 4-5 against the RPI top 50. Won 20 games, but ended up in the NIT with an RPI of 67.
Arkansas had OOC wins that season over SMU(45), (neutral)Minnesota(34), and Clemson(65). So that was 3 pretty good wins OOC(2 top 50).
Arkansas had a problem later in the year though, just like SC this season. We lost to RPI 128 Alabama to close out the season and then lost to (139)South Carolina to open the SEC tourney. Even though Arkansas had won 8 of its last 10 to close the regular season with two top 50 wins in that stretch. The two bad losses to close the season outweighed all those late wins.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:47 am to roadGator
No, not being in the NCAAT and a massive hangover has my undies twisted
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:52 am to Dore5674
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SC should have been in with Tulsa out
Absolutely not.
Tulsa went 4-5 against RPI top 50 teams. They played 16 top 100 teams, winning half of those games.
They have 3 good OOC wins over Wichita State, Ohio, and Iona. They went 12-6 in a tougher league than the SEC. With wins over UConn, @SMU, Cincinnati, and Temple. All top 60 wins. They were also 8-8 in games away from home.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:55 am to Hawgeye
But yet, Tulsa lost, convincingly, to South Carolina.
And lost twice to Memphis, who USC also beat.
Objectively, USC was a better basketball team than Tulsa.
And lost twice to Memphis, who USC also beat.
Objectively, USC was a better basketball team than Tulsa.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 9:59 am
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:55 am to Dore5674
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SC should have been in with Tulsa out. That said while it's not entirely Martin's fault the OOC schedule ended up being horrible. Vandy didn't do jack really in their OOC but 5 of those OOC losses were to teams that were in the RPI top 25
I am glad Vandy is in, I think they should be in.
But simply playing tough OOC schedule and losing isn't "better" than winning against lesser teams.
Also, our OOC schedule looked a lot better going into the season. Memphis, SJU, USF, Drexel, and Clemson all have made tournament in recent memory.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:58 am to CidCock
Sack up in November and December.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:13 am to CidCock
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Sucks for our seniors, especially Carerra who missed the last 2 games. Have to think he would have made a 1 point difference vs UGA. All that aside....
didn't seem to matter that other two times
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:18 am to Croot
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didn't seem to matter that other two times
Correct. We obviously played a little better this time, would you not agree that Carerra is worth 2 points against you guys?
Not making excuses, just pointing out that the committee apologizes for Cuse not having their coach, you would think the same courtesy would be extended to USC and their best player. Guess not.
Good wins for you guys, I thought you guys were on the bubble. Guess that wasn't the case, I was shocked that you were only a 3 seed in the NIT, honestly.
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