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re: NCAA Regional bids, host sites
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:34 am to bbap
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:34 am to bbap
I could see that. If ULL doesn't win their conference tourney, they get bumped down and we for sure see 3 ACC national seeds.
I'm going with three from the ACC now, but ULL losing would give that an even better chance.
I'm going with three from the ACC now, but ULL losing would give that an even better chance.
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:34 am to Diamondawg
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Why? Playing and beating those teams would do nothing for you rpi. Ole Miss needs to play and beat teams like Florida, Vandy and USC to help your rpi.
How bout this? Vandy goes 1 and Q in the SEC tourney with a loss to Tennessee while finishing 6th in the conference ? USC goes 0-2 in the conference tourney with their 3rd loss to Georgia in the last 10 games ?
I just don't get why you would say OM wants to meet Vanderbilt in the tournament... That's beyond stupid... Conference tourney wins carry weight with the committee regardless of who they come against.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 8:49 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:35 am to LSU316
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I guess their competition got better
no not really. i really dont understand their rpi to be honest.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:37 am to bbap
The RPI is flawed. People are starting to take notice. Baseball America did an article not too long ago on it.
RPI is placing too much emphasis on your opponents opponent. Basically, ULL is benefiting from LSUs schedule. Where, LSU is getting hammered for ULLs schedule.
RPI is placing too much emphasis on your opponents opponent. Basically, ULL is benefiting from LSUs schedule. Where, LSU is getting hammered for ULLs schedule.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:38 am to reggierayreb
Has Ole Miss announced their game 1 starter? Just curious who Nola would be facing if we both win on Wednesday.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:39 am to Hawgeye
Yeah and that was a meaningless 5 inning midweek game where lsu threw a kid who was told to look elsewhere next year and didnt even make the postseason roster.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:44 am to bbap
LINK
50% of the formula is way too high to put on opponents record.
It's a pretty good article
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Ultimately, the RPI is just a formula. It doesn’t think, it doesn’t scheme—it just reflects winning percentages (25 percent of the formula), and opponents’ winning percentages (50 percent), and opponents’ opponents winning percentages (25 percent). In recent years, the NCAA tweaked the formula to weigh road wins more than home wins, in order to mitigate the very real disadvantage that Northern teams face by having to spend the first six weeks of the season on the road
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And the RPI says Indiana State (No. 21) is an NCAA tournament lock with a chance to host a regional, even though the Sycamores are just 1-2 against the top 25 and 2-4 against the top 50. High Point (No. 41) ranks 10 spots higher than Arkansas despite an 0-3 mark against the top 25 and a 1-7 record against the top 50. High Point is 23-16 overall; Arkansas is 25-16. But whose resume is more impressive? The problem with the RPI isn’t that it is biased. The problem is its lack of bias. The RPI looks only at the numbers, and the numbers say High Point has played a tougher schedule than Arkansas because High Point’s opponents have an aggregate winning percentage of .545, and Arkansas’ opponents have a .541 aggregate winning percentage.
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But because opponents’ winning percentage comprises 50 percent of the RPI formula, playing a few games against a team with a horrific winning percentage has a disproportionate impact on RPI. So Arkansas pays a huge price for playing five games against No. 295 Mississippi Valley State (3-29) and No. 300 Grambling State (12-26). As a result, Arkansas ranks 46th in strength of schedule. Remove the three games against MVSU, and its SOS jumps to sixth. Take away the two games against Grambling, and it jumps to No. 1
50% of the formula is way too high to put on opponents record.
It's a pretty good article
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:51 am to Hawgeye
yeah i read it when it came out. it is good.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:04 am to bbap
Good luck to everyone. About to leave for Starkville, pick up the trailer and head to Hoover RV Park. One of my favorite weeks of the year.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:05 am to bbap
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better is fine. higher is fine. lower is incorrect.
just saying
Actually, 2 or 6 is a "lower" number. It just depends on how you look at it.
The two of you arguing about this is what is "incorrect".
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:06 am to Hawgeye
If I'm not mistaken they said a couple days ago the lowest RPI ever to get a national seed was 12 right?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:06 am to DynastyDawg
when talking about rankings (or rpi ratings in this case) only way correct way to say it. sorry but that's a fact.
fair enough
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The two of you arguing about this is what is "incorrect".
fair enough
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 9:07 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:12 am to DynastyDawg
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If I'm not mistaken they said a couple days ago the lowest RPI ever to get a national seed was 12 right?
In 2009, Oklahoma (17) and UC Irvine (18) got national seeds.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:14 am to DynastyDawg
Probably. But over the past couple of years they've tweaked the formula to where it's no longer a gauge of how strong a team actually is.
Look at West Virginia....they have a top 30 RPI but they are 5-18 against RPI top 50 teams. 9-14 in their league. RPI says they're better than 3 teams in the SEC who will see post season play.
Now look at RPI 18 Indiana State. They're 3-3 vs the top 50 RPI, and have 22 wins over teams with RPIs at 101 or higher. That's nearly 3/4 of their wins. The RPI says they should have a shot at hosting.
Look at West Virginia....they have a top 30 RPI but they are 5-18 against RPI top 50 teams. 9-14 in their league. RPI says they're better than 3 teams in the SEC who will see post season play.
Now look at RPI 18 Indiana State. They're 3-3 vs the top 50 RPI, and have 22 wins over teams with RPIs at 101 or higher. That's nearly 3/4 of their wins. The RPI says they should have a shot at hosting.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:38 am to Hawgeye
That's all true about the problems with RPI, and it was exacerbated this year by the change in RPI formula, with the 1.3/.7 road win/home win factor. Still, I expect the committee to continue to lean heavily on RPI when it comes to making the field of 64, and as justification for rewarding undeserving northern teams with host and seeding decision. They will probably cite other factors in making some of the key decisions, such as hosting and national seeds, that are too important to be left to a calculator, but its still going to play a big role in the process.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:43 am to bbap
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Has Ole Miss announced their game 1 starter? Just curious who Nola would be facing if we both win on Wednesday.
Haven't heard anything yet but I suspect it'll be freshman Evan Anderson... If we win it'll probably be Ellis in game 2... If we lose I could see us running Waguespack out there and just resting arms.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:54 am to Diamondawg
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Good luck to everyone. About to leave for Starkville, pick up the trailer and head to Hoover RV Park. One of my favorite weeks of the year.
Drive safe bother
That sounds like a great way to spend the week before Memorial Day... I went to every tournament game in 2007 (except for the Final cause OM lost 2 to Vandy on semifinal Saturday)... Enjoy yourself.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 9:55 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:58 am to Hawgeye
I think OP is spot on IMO. I think LSU is more likely to host than not.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:00 am to bamafan1001
lsu needs to win some games in hoover to host.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:04 am to reggierayreb
It's a great time. It helps that the wife enjoys baseball as much as I. We'll go to most sessions but it depends on the heat and such. Plus, we've hooked up with The Rolling Bulldogs and do some serious cooking but they don't usually stay past our elimination. Hopefully, they will be here for a few days.
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