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re: Mythical Championship for Bama
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:02 pm to joshnorris14
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:02 pm to joshnorris14
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Rodgers, Best, Gerhart, LMJ >>>>>> Ingram, Richardson, Tate, Dixon, Scott, and Hardesty
I am willing to bet that most people on this message board would strongly disagree with you.
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Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:04 pm to Funky Tide 8
Gerhart was their offense, put Trent on that team and his numbers would have been slashed. People are going to laugh at this argument ten years from now. Gerhart's a nice back, but Ingram is just better.
And Stanford's running the ball pretty well again this year so its silly to act like Gerhart had no offensive line. For all the talk about Alabama's line Ingram did manage to lead the country in yards after contact.
And Stanford's running the ball pretty well again this year so its silly to act like Gerhart had no offensive line. For all the talk about Alabama's line Ingram did manage to lead the country in yards after contact.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:06 pm to Funky Tide 8
There have been two Pac 10 teams that played SEC teams in the past two years.
UCLA and Oregon.
Johnathan Franklin ran for 17 rushes and 80 yards against Tennessee.
LMJ ran for 16 carries, 134 yards, and 1 TD.
Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson combined for 26 carries, 117 yards, and no TDs
UCLA and Oregon.
Johnathan Franklin ran for 17 rushes and 80 yards against Tennessee.
LMJ ran for 16 carries, 134 yards, and 1 TD.
Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson combined for 26 carries, 117 yards, and no TDs
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:07 pm to TTsTowel
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The draft isn't an exact science, FWIW.
He's also playing behind A.P.
Nobody that will be drafted in the next 3-4-5 years would start ahead of him.
I agree. However, San Diego, Buffalo and Detroit were all looking for a starting HB and did not even consider Toby.
If the Heisman were given to the best HB it probably should have gone to CJ Spiller.
Ingram won it because he carried his team to the national championship playing against SEC defenses and his stats were unreal against ranked teams. He played his best games against the biggest opponents......plus 1 career fumble.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:09 pm to Funky Tide 8
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TG had many more carries than MI.
Exactly, he was the THE workhorse for Stanford. He carried the ball less than 20 times only once all season (17 times still). He carried the rock at least 27 times in 8 separate games last year. Ingram carried it less than 20 times 7 times last year.
Ingram had the luxury of a great backup taking the load off of him. Ingram wasn't near the only reason Bama won last year, while Gerhart for Stanford clearly was their reason why they won mostly when they did. He grinded games out by himself. 4 of the 5 games Stanford lost they put up at least 27 points but allowed >31 points. Nobody scored more than 31 on Bama last year. In fact nobody scored more than 24 on Bama last year.
Bama fans are just being ignorant to the fact Ingram played for you guys and Gerhart played for a 5-loss Stanford team. That's the reason Ingram won.
This post was edited on 10/1/10 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:10 pm to Monticello
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So, I guess all the Heisman voters who voted for him were all Bama fans. WOW I did not realize our fan base was so large. A truly stupid post.
So I guess you stopped reading my post there and failed to go on and read where I specifically said Ingram won the heisman because he played for Bama and not Stanford. Once again, switch Ingram and Gerhart and Gerhart wins the heisman if playing for Bama.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:10 pm to thunderbird1100
Listen to these Bammer homers.. Acting as Auburn hasnt played anyone...
Who has Bama played? San Jose St, DUKE, Arkansas, PSU
Arkansas a good team. Who knows that? I wish I had a gun to shoot these turds
Who has Bama played? San Jose St, DUKE, Arkansas, PSU
Arkansas a good team. Who knows that? I wish I had a gun to shoot these turds
This post was edited on 10/1/10 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:11 pm to joshnorris14
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There have been two Pac 10 teams that played SEC teams in the past two years.
UCLA and Oregon.
Johnathan Franklin ran for 17 rushes and 80 yards against Tennessee.
LMJ ran for 16 carries, 134 yards, and 1 TD.
Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson combined for 26 carries, 117 yards, and no TDs
So you are using one game(a huge rivalry game at that) to determine which conference had the best RBs? Compelling argument pal. Not to mention when UT played UCLA it was there first game with a new DC, and the Oregon game, which was played THIS YEAR has zero relevance to what we are talking about.
This post was edited on 10/1/10 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:13 pm to thunderbird1100
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Exactly, he was the THE workhorse for Stanford. He carried the ball less than 20 times only once all season (17 times still). He carried the rock at least 27 times in 8 separate games last year. Ingram carried it less than 20 times 7 times last year.
Ingram had the luxury of a great backup taking the load off of him. Ingram wasn't near the only reason Bama won last year, while Gerhart for Stanford clearly was their reason why they won mostly when they did. He grinded games out by himself. 4 of the 5 games Stanford lost they put up at least 27 points but allowed >31 points. Nobody scored more than 31 on Bama last year. In fact nobody scored more than 24 on Bama last year.
None of this proves that TG was better. It just means that he ran the ball more.
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Bama fans are just being ignorant to the fact Ingram played for you guys
No, you are just being a hater.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:13 pm to Funky Tide 8
I'm using the only common game between the Pac 10 and Bama.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:15 pm to Funky Tide 8
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which was played THIS YEAR has zero relevance to what we are talking about.
Except that it highlights one of those Pac 10 RBs who you are trying to downplay.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:15 pm to Funky Tide 8
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None of this proves that TG was better. It just means that he ran the ball more.
It means he did more and carried the load for his team. Which is what SHOULD matter for the heisman, not who is the best player on the best team. Like it almost always is these days.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:15 pm to joshnorris14
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Except that it highlights one of those Pac 10 RBs who you are trying to downplay.
Against a UT team that has NO depth on the D Line. I am not trying to downplay them, I just think that the SEC had better RBs last year.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:16 pm to joshnorris14
And against UCLA Montario Hardesty had the following stats:
26 rushes, 89 yards, and 1 TD
Terrible, terrible Pac 10 rush D
26 rushes, 89 yards, and 1 TD
Terrible, terrible Pac 10 rush D
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:16 pm to Funky Tide 8
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No, you are just being a hater.
No, like I said, you guys are just being ignorant to that fact. Once again, switch Ingram and Gerhart and Gerhart wins the heisman easily. It has just as much about what team you play for these days as much as how good a player you are.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:16 pm to thunderbird1100
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It means he did more and carried the load for his team.
Well they lost 5 games. When we needed MI to win us a game, he did, simply put.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:18 pm to joshnorris14
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26 rushes, 89 yards, and 1 TD
These are not awful stats, and he also had Jonathan Crompton attempting to establish a passing game(which did not happen).
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:19 pm to thunderbird1100
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Once again, switch Ingram and Gerhart and Gerhart wins the heisman if playing for Bama.
Gerhardt would not have started for Alabama. If Ingram never came to Alabama, Richardson would have started over him.
When everything was equalized in the combine and NFL draft, we saw that Gerhardt was not thought of to be an elite talent by the experts.
Stanford has an excellent OL. This years team shows that.
Ingram averaged a yard more per touch than Gerhardt. He went for over 100 against the Florida and Texas D's which were excellent and with an SEC and national title on the line.
And since when was it not a legitimate argument to factor in the impact a player has on his overall team? Gerhardt led his team to 9 wins and irrelevancy. They also had the future #1 draft pick at QB. Ingram led his team to an SEC and national title.
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:20 pm to joshnorris14
Meanwhile this is how the 4 Pac 10 backs did against UCLA:
LMJ: 20 rushes, 152 yards
Best: 18 rushes, 102 yards, 1 TD
Rodgers: 24 rushes, 112 yards
Gerhart: 29 rushes, 134 yards, and 3 TDs
LMJ: 20 rushes, 152 yards
Best: 18 rushes, 102 yards, 1 TD
Rodgers: 24 rushes, 112 yards
Gerhart: 29 rushes, 134 yards, and 3 TDs
Posted on 10/1/10 at 4:21 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Well they lost 5 games. When we needed MI to win us a game, he did, simply put
Once again this is Bama fans being ignorant to the fact Ingram played for YOU GUYS and Gerhart played for Stanford.
It's Gerhart's fault Stanford's defense gave up 31+ points 6 times last year?
Ingram had the luxury of 2 things Gerhart never had - a great backup taking the load off and a great defense never allowing more than 24 points all season.
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