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re: moral equivalency? hunh vs flopping
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:57 pm to Monticello
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:57 pm to Monticello
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but if you are tired and can't sub out, fall down.
bingo. you'll see it a lot more this season. And it gives fans of teams that run HUNH more opportunities to boo injured players which they seem to enjoy. win win
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Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:57 pm to arrakis
quote:which mandatory team-building corporate after work touch football conference do you ref in again? i dont think you said earlier?
O really? Then you'll have no problem providing a number of examples...game, quarter, time, etc. Let's see if you are just another FanTard talking out his arse. While you are at it, what does the Mechanics Manual say about when the "chains are set"?
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:57 pm to arrakis
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O really? Then you'll have no problem providing a number of examples...game, quarter, time, etc. Let's see if you are just another FanTard talking out his arse.
While you are at it, what does the Mechanics Manual say about when the "chains are set"?
Got 'im, coach
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:57 pm to narddogg81
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which mandatory team-building corporate touch football conference do you ref in again?
What were you JUST saying about hyperbole?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:59 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Can't wait for Gus to attend special secret meeting and suggest floppers sit for the rest of the quarter, player safety and all.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:59 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:sarcasm and derision, not hyperbole.
What were you JUST saying about hyperbole?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:01 pm to narddogg81
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sarcasm and derision
You're better at both than making a coherent argument
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:02 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:why would anyone keep track of this unless they where a psychic and knew they would be in an internet argument about it months later? that's a pretty weak gotcha.
quote: O really? Then you'll have no problem providing a number of examples...game, quarter, time, etc. Let's see if you are just another FanTard talking out his arse. While you are at it, what does the Mechanics Manual say about when the "chains are set"? Got 'im, coach
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:03 pm to fontell
quote:im sure there would be an up-swelling of indignation. the sacred rules must not change.
Can't wait for Gus to attend special secret meeting and suggest floppers sit for the rest of the quarter, player safety and all.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:03 pm to narddogg81
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dont exaggerate. the change to specialized platoons was a complete revision of the game, more so than the forward pass. this is a minor squabble about refs and presnap procedure in comparison. hyperbole is usually a sign of desperation in a debate.
I didn't exaggerate anything. I simply noted that player safety and "spirit of the game" were arguments made by coaches against allowing more substitutions.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:04 pm to narddogg81
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why would anyone keep track of this
Cop out.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:06 pm to the808bass
quote:your purpose in referencing that change and the argument surrounding it is to tie the 2 together in scope and importance.
I didn't exaggerate anything. I simply noted that player safety and "spirit of the game" were arguments made by coaches against allowing more substitutions
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:07 pm to narddogg81
No. I was simply pointing out that people have an aversion to change in how "football ought to be played" and dress that up in the same arguments - "spirit of the game" and "player safety" to cover up what is really just personal bias.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:13 pm to the808bass
quote:are you trying to say that counter arguments in this hunh debate are inspired by sweet, sweet logic and a love of the integrity of the game and not personal bias? Also, it seems to me that at the moment hunh proponents are arguing for the status quo and have the aversion to change. I will go ahead and admit my personal bias, i hate the hunh because it think it leads to shitty, brainless football that i personally dont enjoy watching. my personal bias doesn't mean im wrong though.
No. I was simply pointing out that people have an aversion to change in how "football ought to be played" and dress that up in the same arguments - "spirit of the game" and "player safety" to cover up what is really just personal bias.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:15 pm to narddogg81
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are you trying to say that counter arguments
The counter argument against what argument?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:18 pm to narddogg81
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why would anyone keep track of this unless they where a psychic and knew they would be in an internet argument about it months later? that's a pretty weak gotcha.
Not at all....either he can back up his mouth with facts or he can't. Pretty much all the games are uploaded to YouTube, he says he's seen NUMEROUS examples, and he needs to verify he knows what the manual says about when the "chains are set".
So, the question remains, can he back up his mouth or is he like you and merely talking out his arse?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:25 pm to the808bass
quote:in this thread particularly? the argument that refs should be in control of the pace of the game but only insofar as is consistent with them doing a proper job of officiating each play (ie being in position to see the play and not so exhausted that they miss calls they otherwise wouldn't, as well as the replay official having time to actually review a play before the next one begins, otherwise why have him). But since the hunh argument is really a series of arguments all woven together, apply the question more generally. do hunh proponents base their objections to any rule change (or ref procedure change) on concern for the integrity or spirit of the game, or because they think it will impact their team adversely?
The counter argument against what argument?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:27 pm to arrakis
quote:i guess we will find out. my objection to the other poster was that he seemed to think that the guy should instantly have these instances at his disposal. on this same note, what do you have to back up that you are an actual official and not some guy talking out of his arse? what league do you officiate for, where, etc..? i think its a fair question to you, since you are apply the 'appeal to authority' fallacy to yourself (an actual logical fallacy). its only fair that the basis for your authority in this matter be verified.
Not at all....either he can back up his mouth with facts or he can't. Pretty much all the games are uploaded to YouTube, he says he's seen NUMEROUS examples, and he needs to verify he knows what the manual says about when the "chains are set". So, the question remains, can he back up his mouth or is he like you and merely talking out his arse?
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:36 pm to narddogg81
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i guess we will find out.
I'm in no hurry at all. He can take all the time he needs.
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on this same note, what do you have to back up that you are an actual official and not some guy talking out of his arse?
Let's start with knowledge of the rules and mechanics and see if helps satisfy your questions about my competence:
You stated, earlier in the thread, that feigning an injury (flopping) is within the current rules of the game. Would you say feigning an injury to stop the clock meets the criteria of an unfair act?
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what league do you officiate for, where?
Mostly JUCO and occasionally Div II.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 3:38 pm to arrakis
You ever notice how most HUNH offensive teams defense are average and sub-par. TexasA&M had a terrrible defense. API had an average defense. So, the direction the college game is going-offense. While the NFL, by their rules and the way they're implemented convey the importance of defense.
With the way the college game is being run, even the best conditioned athletes, cannot keep up. As for as sitting out for the
rest of the quarter, no intelligent coach would want to adopt such a rule.
With the way the college game is being run, even the best conditioned athletes, cannot keep up. As for as sitting out for the
rest of the quarter, no intelligent coach would want to adopt such a rule.
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