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re: moral equivalency? hunh vs flopping
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:21 pm to arrakis
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:21 pm to arrakis
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It's our job to accommodate the teams; not have the teams accommodate us. Anyone who says the HUNH causes some sort of undue "pressure" on officials only proves just how ignorant they are.
I have seen, on numerous occasions, chain gangs not have the chains set during HUNH games. Officials are neither accommodating the teams nor providing quality game oversight in these instances. If you are really an official I pray you are in the minority with your attitude.
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Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:22 pm to narddogg81
The HUNH and flopping are both within the rules and also against the spirit of the rules. If HUNH is used, I see no problem with using flopping to combat it. I'm not a fan of AU style flopping, but if you are tired and can't sub out, fall down.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:25 pm to Monticello
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The HUNH and flopping are both within the rules and also against the spirit of the rules.
How is HUNH against the "spirit of the rules?"
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:27 pm to Monticello
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The HUNH and flopping are both within the rules and also against the spirit of the rules.
Incorrect.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:28 pm to Monticello
quote:yep, what are the officials going to do, tell you to walk it off? they are not doctors either, and with the scrutiny on player safety no one is going to risk telling an actually injured player to pound sand. in my opinion both things are bitch moves, i would rather just line up and play football without all the bullshite between plays. but if its between having an exhausted defender that cant sub out or flopping, i say flop away. hunh and flopping are 2 sides of the same shitting coin in my opinion.
The HUNH and flopping are both within the rules and also against the spirit of the rules. If HUNH is used, I see no problem with using flopping to combat it. I'm not a fan of AU style flopping, but if you are tired and can't sub out, fall down.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:31 pm to the808bass
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How is HUNH against the "spirit of the rules?"
It takes advantage of an allowance designed for 2 minute drills and applies it to the whole game as a base offense. I'm not a fan of it, but also don't think it should be banned. The game will adjust, even if that means defensive players lying on the field to catch their breath when they can't sub out.
The NCAA is not going to ban or penalize injuries, and they have no way of knowing when a real injury occurs. Flopping is here to stay so long as coaches play a style that prevents tired players from subbing.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:32 pm to the808bass
quote:i believe its more accurate to say flopping is against the ethics of the rules and hunh is against the spirit of the game, ie the game is the interaction between the play called on offense and the defensive play called to counter. what makes football great is that it operates on multiple levels. a stated goal of the hunh is to prevent ds from getting in plays, or at least the play the want. both are currently within the rules as they stand
How is HUNH against the "spirit of the rules?"
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:33 pm to narddogg81
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but if its between having an exhausted defender that cant sub out
Alabama used to pride itself on wearing down their opponents through superior conditioning and depth and a punishing physical style. What happened?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:35 pm to the808bass
quote:according to the rant we only recruit fat slow players, although i dont understand how that can be when everyone else recruits the same guys. i guess we simultaneously over train our players so they are always worn out at the nfl and still manage to make them fat and slow. its a miracle
Alabama used to pride itself on wearing down their opponents through superior conditioning and depth and a punishing physical style. What happened?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:35 pm to the808bass
Holding that hand up with four fingers now means 'coach I need a blow take me out'
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:36 pm to narddogg81
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i guess we simultaneously over train our players so they are always worn out at the nfl and still manage to make them fat and slow
So......they're not ill-conditioned?
Shouldn't have a hard time keeping up with a fast tempo offense, then.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:36 pm to narddogg81
You danced all the way around that point.
You cannot simultaneously depend upon a style of play that attempts to wear down other teams and complain about getting exhausted on defense and expect to be taken seriously.
You cannot simultaneously depend upon a style of play that attempts to wear down other teams and complain about getting exhausted on defense and expect to be taken seriously.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:41 pm to the808bass
quote:our style of play also allows the other team to substitute on defense pretty much at will, because we focus on trying to beat you with more skilled players and execution, not pre snap garbage. You are free to run whatever defense you think can stop us. Also, you sure changed gears after i destroyed you in the previous argument.
You cannot simultaneously depend upon a style of play that attempts to wear down other teams and complain about getting exhausted on defense and expect to be taken seriously.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:43 pm to the808bass
Substituting is as much about getting certain situational packages on the field (nickel/dime packages, goal-line packages, etc.) as it is about replacing fatigued players. Have you ever watched football?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:43 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:that's the conundrum, according to the rant. we are the most over-trained fat slow team in the country.
So......they're not ill-conditioned? Shouldn't have a hard time keeping up with a fast tempo offense, then.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:46 pm to narddogg81
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Also, you sure changed gears after i destroyed you in the previous argument
No, you didn't destroy me in any argument. There's nothing in the rules which demonstrates substitution on every play is part of the "spirit of the rules" of football. But you have no idea what that even means, so I stopped talking about it.
You realize that you're making the same arguments against the HUNH that were made against having separate offensive and defensive units when the substitution rules changed back in the middle of the last century?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:49 pm to Spread
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Substituting is as much about getting certain situational packages on the field (nickel/dime packages, goal-line packages, etc.) as it is about replacing fatigued players. Have you ever watched football?
Being part of the way football is played doesn't mean it is part of the "spirit of the rules." When Loyola Marymount played the run and gun, they weren't violating the spirit of the rules of basketball. They were merely playing in a fashion which allowed them to maximize their skills and limit their liabilities. That's strategory. Not a violation of ethics or spirit or anything else.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:51 pm to Spread
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I have seen, on numerous occasions, chain gangs not have the chains set during HUNH games.
O really? Then you'll have no problem providing a number of examples...game, quarter, time, etc. Let's see if you are just another FanTard talking out his arse.
While you are at it, what does the Mechanics Manual say about when the "chains are set"?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:53 pm to narddogg81
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that's the conundrum, according to the rant. we are the most over-trained fat slow team in the country.
No, the rant is just calling y'all out on your duplicity.
You cannot simultaneously be a team that prides itself on the "process" and wearing down opposition with physical play and also complain about the pace being outside the spirit of the rules.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:54 pm to the808bass
quote:i was referring to your assertion of a logical fallacy in my previous post, not that aside on another persons post.
No, you didn't destroy me in any argument. There's nothing in the rules which demonstrates substitution on every play is part of the "spirit of the rules" of football. But you have no idea what that even means, so I stopped talking about it.
quote:dont exaggerate. the change to specialized platoons was a complete revision of the game, more so than the forward pass. this is a minor squabble about refs and presnap procedure in comparison. hyperbole is usually a sign of desperation in a debate.
You realize that you're making the same arguments against the HUNH that were made against having separate offensive and defensive units when the substitution rules changed back in the middle of the last century?
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