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re: moral equivalency? hunh vs flopping
Posted on 3/8/14 at 12:51 pm to narddogg81
Posted on 3/8/14 at 12:51 pm to narddogg81
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If you actually are an official at any level and that is your actual opinion you do not need to be one any longer.
Well, thanks for that and what are your creditials to make that judgment? How long have you been a conference supervisor?
Let me guess....you've been a fan for a long time and watched a lot of games.
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The duty of the official is to see that the rules and procedures of the game are administered fairly and consistently at all times
Ah...when your ignorance is exposed, you simply change the topic. The context of your post was the HUNH put some undue "pressure" on the officials. This is patently false.
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Being in position to actual do your job before the ball is snapped is part of that, so is giving the replay official time to actually review the play.
We are and we do...just because you lack the intellect and physical ability to do the job, it doesn't mean qualified people can't do it.
Another swing and a miss...want to try again?
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Posted on 3/8/14 at 12:51 pm to Manzielathon
Flopping is not illegal if your winded and can't get off the field. By the way, if play stops because a player is down, then this should be considered an injury and to the statistics that all these whiners want to see.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 12:53 pm to narddogg81
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If you actually are an official at any level and that is your actual opinion you do not need to be one any longer. The duty of the official is to see that the rules and procedures of the game are administered fairly and consistently at all times. Being in position to actual do your job before the ball is snapped is part of that, so is giving the replay official time to actually review the play.
This is MONUMENTALLY stupid of you to say.
arrakis already dismantled you, though, so I'll not reiterate.
And I'm usually at odds with arrakis. But you're a fool on this one, nard
Posted on 3/8/14 at 12:54 pm to Manzielathon
quote:hmm, the insane proposition that refs should be in place to actual call the game and that the replay official should actually have time to do his job means the state of Alabama needs to be euthanized? Seems as you are in fact the retard. Is not as though that position is out of thin air, is exactly the position of the nfl, the professional body of the sport
Damn the entire state of Alabama needs to be euthanized if this is a serious response, the rest of the country has let y'all get away with going full blown retard way too often.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 12:54 pm to narddogg81
Recruit Athletes and not fat guys this wouldn't be an issue.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 1:10 pm to narddogg81
Posted on 3/8/14 at 1:13 pm to AU4real35
Posted on 3/8/14 at 1:17 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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And I'm usually at odds with arrakis.
I'm a jackass; I know that....
but I'm a jackass that knows the rules of the game and actually does the job.
If people don't like the HUNH, that's cool; but the OP committed a logical fallacy compounded by ignorance.
The HUNH is nothing more than the latest innovation in the game and someone, right now, is working on the next innovation.
It's a chess game between the OC and the DC...I like that.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 1:20 pm to narddogg81
Better question..
Why gumps so damn dumb?
Why gumps so damn dumb?
Posted on 3/8/14 at 1:20 pm to narddogg81
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putting pressure on the officials
This, to me, is another red herring that makes no sense. There is no rule requiring the crew to hustle up and spot the ball for the O. They can walk at an appropriate pace. Now this wouldn't solve the D substitution problem (which is what I think is Saban's real problem with the up tempo), but it would allow a few more seconds for guys to catch their breath. This can be done with no rule change.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 1:58 pm to arrakis
quote:i have watched alot of games, and ive seen alot of officials out of place and ive seen alot of bad/missed calls. Also, you are 'guy on internet forum', why should i just automatically assume you are what you say you are. maybe you are an official, maybe you are not. maybe you are the conference supervisor for a jr high girls afterschool flag football league. this is the internet.
Well, thanks for that and what are your creditials to make that judgment? How long have you been a conference supervisor? Let me guess....you've been a fan for a long time and watched a lot of games.
quote:the sec coordinator of officials shaw has made recently made statement about the pressure that the tempo offenses place on officiating crews, thus the experiments with 8 officials. I would think such a qualified official as yourself would keep up wit this stuff.
Ah...when your ignorance is exposed, you simply change the topic. The context of your post was the HUNH put some undue "pressure" on the officials. This is patently false.
quote:i dont know if this is 'officials stick together' solidarity or esprit de corps or whatever , but you are not always and you dont always. the officiating is getting worse, and oddly enough it coincidences with teams going faster and faster.
We are and we do...just because you lack the intellect and physical ability to do the job, it doesn't mean qualified people can't do it.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:02 pm to arrakis
quote:i dont think you know what logical fallacy means. in your view i may have made a factual error (i didnt). but that's not the same thing as a logical fallacy.
If people don't like the HUNH, that's cool; but the OP committed a logical fallacy compounded by ignorance. The HUNH is nothing more than the latest innovation in the game and someone, right now, is working on the next innovation. It's a chess game between the OC and the DC...I like that.
and the OC vs DC chess match you mention makes me laugh, in light of your view on hunh, where the point is to prevent the DC from making his moves. hunh makes the chess of football into checkers. you are full of crap.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:04 pm to narddogg81
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but that's not the same thing as a logical fallacy.
Your logical fallacy was equating following the rules with "exploiting the rules." By this same logic, Alabama signing multiple 5-star athletes in the same class is "exploiting the rules" of NCAA recruiting.
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and the OC vs DC chess match you mention makes me laugh, in light of your view on hunh, where the point is to prevent the DC from making his moves. hunh makes the chess of football into checkers. you are full of crap.
You may really just be stupid.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:06 pm to narddogg81
anyway, here is what i take from the responses so far(despite the thread being derailed by lord of the officials). LSU fans are ok with hunh and with flopping. i find this amusing since they are both the team that is most accused of flopping by hunh fans and they are also the defense that hunh fans point to to prove that noting needs to change rule-wise. Auburn and a&m fans are immediately hostile to any thread that doesnt say the hunh is the greatest and best innovation ever to hit football, and somewhere some poor pee wee football conference is getting some terrible officiating.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:10 pm to narddogg81
You are implying that flopping is the only way to stop HUNH...
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:16 pm to the808bass
quote:and you are now guilty of committing a specious analogy. the hunh trend of recent years is in part the unintended consequence of a previous rule change, the clock change from 25 seconds from when the umpire declares read to play to the 40 seconds form the end of the last play. College adopted the nfl clock without adopting any of the other rules (such as sideline communication limits or updated instructions to officials on how to deal with the implications of it). The result being that, unsurprisingly, hunh coaches spotted the flaws in this and started to exploit the unforeseen implications of the rule (which was not intended to let teams run more plays or stop defenses from slipping in subtitutes, but rather to shorten the game for tv purposes). They accomplish this by often lining up immediately, before the plays are even called in, in order to trap the defensive personnel on the field with the threat of getting a procedure penalty. the refs in college have up to this point gone along with it, accommodating the offenses. before this rule change there was normally 10-12 seconds of time between each play for the officials to get set (and for defenses to slip in quick substitutions). I say exploiting the rules because it is a unintended result of a clock rule change. the nfl dealt with it with simple ref instructions, i see no reason college cannot do the same.
Your logical fallacy was equating following the rules with "exploiting the rules." By this same logic, Alabama signing multiple 5-star athletes in the same class is "exploiting the rules" of NCAA recruiting.
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:17 pm to narddogg81
I agree.
I don't mind the HUNH at all, but people shouldn't get mad if players fake injuries. Both HUNH and faking injuries are legal
I don't mind the HUNH at all, but people shouldn't get mad if players fake injuries. Both HUNH and faking injuries are legal
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:18 pm to RBWilliams8
quote:no, the way to stop hunh is to get 3 and outs, then play ball control on offense and eat up the clock, since the hunh is predicated on 'at bats'. im just saying its funny that hunh people accuse lsu of flopping in the season and then point them as the example of what to do to stop the hunh.
You are implying that flopping is the only way to stop HUNH...
This post was edited on 3/8/14 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:19 pm to the808bass
You say exploiting, I say not breaking a rule.
Posted on 3/8/14 at 2:21 pm to Oizers
Do u think Saban knows e-cigarettes exist?
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