re: moral equivalency? hunh vs flopping

Yeah, I'm throwin' the flag on him - the BS flag

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It's easy to define because pretending to have an illness or injury is not the same as suffering from an injury or illness. What's your next dodge, dance, and run?

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here, i will go slow. the word feign is indeed easy to define, you found it in the dictionary all on your own,kudos. the act of determining a feigned illness vs an unfeigned illness (are you still following me?) on the field (you know what the field is?) is not a straightforward prospect. who is to say when a player is feigning an illness (are you still with me)? In practice, will you as the (alleged) ref make a player who is down get up on go to the sideline? would there be repercussions for on official who made a truly injured player do so (should i be using smaller words, just tell me. i know you can access the dictionary so hopefully you are following)? No? Ok then. So in practice (and by in practice i mean in the real world, not when you do something over and over to get better at it), there is no mechanism to enforce a prohibition against flopping (if defined as feigning and injury or illness). So, is a rule that cant be enforced really a rule in practice (again, not like practicing your flute)? Since you are content to retreat into semantics here, lets just refer to another definition of flop, ie to fall to the ground. Yes, words can have more than one definition.

edit. since you are fond of quoting me, you will notice that in the very first post of this thread i define flopping as going down with a less than traumatic injury.

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im not disagreeing with you. you are the first honest person on here. you would call fro a rule change in this instance.

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Well the HUNH is a different situation. There isn't anything showing it causes more injuries. In fact, the data shows the NFL causes more injuries than the HUNH and that is what Saban says the rules should be modeled after. So there is nothing to justify a rule. Players on one or two teams flopping shows its not the HUNH but instead their coach's coaching. Whether it be the game plan to flop or not conditioning them well. But they still need rules to protect those players from being on the field when they are falling constantly. Like benching them until they are cleared or a set period because they are not in condition to be on the field. If the entire team is having problems then the coach and school needs to be held accountable.

Also it even makes the players look injury prone and can hurt their NFL stock all because their coaches made them fake injuries.

As far as being ethical, 70%+ of coaches and most of the coaches from the big conferences agree that the HUNH is ethical and shouldn't have rules to stop it. Including ones who don't run it. You will not find a coach that thinks teams should fake injuries or that it is ethical. Saban would complain just as much as any HUNH coach if the other team started faking an injury on every play against them.

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Well the HUNH is a different situation. There isn't anything showing it causes more injuries. In fact, the data shows the NFL causes more injuries than the HUNH and that is what Saban says the rules should be modeled after. So there is nothing to justify a rule. Players on one or two teams flopping shows its not the HUNH but instead their coach's coaching. Whether it be the game plan to flop or not conditioning them well. But they still need rules to protect those players from being on the field when they are falling constantly. Like benching them until they are cleared or a set period because they are not in condition to be on the field. If the entire team is having problems then the coach and school needs to be held accountable.

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ok, to summarize, you dont like a practice that is allowable or at least not stoppable under current rules because you think its detrimental to the game and you want a rule to stop it. i can respect that. rules change with the game.

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Also it even makes the players look injury prone and can hurt their NFL stock all because their coaches made them fake injuries.

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hope this fella doesn't want an nfl career. i like how you see auburn d players in confusion trying to substitute, swain looks to the sideline then falls like a brick.

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As far as being ethical, 70%+ of coaches and most of the coaches from the big conferences agree that the HUNH is ethical and shouldn't have rules to stop it. Including ones who don't run it. You will not find a coach that thinks teams should fake injuries or that it is ethical. Saban would complain just as much as any HUNH coach if the other team started faking an injury on every play against them.

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a) where do you get 70%? b) if you are referring to the 10 second rule, opposition to that is not the same thing as saying nothing needs to change relative to the hunh. guys like richt opposed the rule but wants refs to take it back over like in the pros. im going to require a study regarding coaches opinions on the hunh before i can accept your hypothesis im afraid

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If I post my conference ID, you'll say I copied it off the internet If I can locate a video of a game I called, you would say "prove it's you". You really aren't much of a challenge. Have you figured out pretending to have an injury is not the same as actually having an injury?

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full of shite, i understand. i was only asking for at this point a list of a single game you officiated, but i guess that was too much. And have you figured out that i defined flopping as something completely different in the very first post than you did later on? I defined it as a less than traumatic injury. feigned illness is your wording. Since your argument is entirely semantics at least be sure of what you are arguing.

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I'm OK with a player faking an injury. It is within the rules, to the extent of no one knowing whether the player is hurt or not. It's a loophole in the system, IMO.

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respectable position. loopholes are fair game until they close

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ok, to summarize, you dont like a practice that is allowable or at least not stoppable under current rules because you think its detrimental to the game and you want a rule to stop it. i can respect that. rules change with the game.

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The HUNH isn't close to players flopping. The only reason there isn't a rule for it is because no one expects a coach to stoop low enough to have their players flop over and over to get free time outs or interfere with the game.

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hope this fella doesn't want an nfl career. i like how you see auburn d players in confusion trying to substitute, swain looks to the sideline then falls like a brick.

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So it should be looked down on because Auburn did it once as a gesture to BB, after him trying to be a smartass about a extra point play but not if Saban does it? It was also when the clock was stopped and he never returned. Which I said the rule should be.

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a) where do you get 70%? b) if you are referring to the 10 second rule, opposition to that is not the same thing as saying nothing needs to change relative to the hunh. guys like richt opposed the rule but wants refs to take it back over like in the pros. im going to require a study regarding coaches opinions on the hunh before i can accept your hypothesis im afraid

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a) ESPN polled all the coaches. b) You can count richt and the number for a change still isn't comparable. I expect nothing less from someone cornered by facts. Especially a Bama fan. When is Bama fans gonna start backing anything with data or studies? All their claims are backed with are Saban said it so it must be right or its good for Auburn so it must be wrong.

I think you missed the irony. Oh well

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narddogg81

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Here's another of your insightful gems:

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i hope we fake an injury on every play on d next year, and run hunh on every play on offense. since you cocksuckers love the current rules so much, im sure you would love us taking advantage of every loophole their is. nobody would complain at all im sure...

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...and you are still in clueless meltdown mode.

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auburn player falling in end zone.gif

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I heard that guy was actually held out for two weeks after that fall. Auburn fans, is that true?