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re: Miss State LB Leo Lewis received $21,000 before National Signing Day from 2 SEC schools
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:00 pm to Billy Mays
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:00 pm to Billy Mays
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But they had good reason not too!!! Other than LL admitting he took $11K from MSU - nah, no need to go further into that
Leo saying he took money from the school he ended up at is deemed incredible, but saying he took money from a school under investigation was deemed credible. If you people don't see whats wrong with then you are blinded by bias.
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:01 pm to CockCommander
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Auburn has nothing to show for their cheating either
Yeah, they got a '57 "title" out of it. They still count it as one of their 2, even though they got a 3 year bowl ban for it.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:02 pm to VivaZapata27
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What you're saying just isn't true. Leo Lewis wasn't being investigated. He simply did not HAVE to cooperate with another investigation. And even if he did, the problem here was that he was compelled by an NCAA investigator and possibly his own coach to be a part of an investigation into another school. Do you not think that's a fricking big deal?
That's exactly how investigations are conducted. OM keeps acting like this is groundbreaking when in fact it is SOP with numerous examples found via google. Investigators talk to players about how other schools recruited them ALL THE FRICKING TIME and the coaches at those other programs have an ethical obligation to see that their players cooperate.
You'd have a shaky but somewhat tenable position if Lewis had initiated contact with the NCAA, but that's not what happend. Lewis didn't call them, they came to him. At that point, yes he had to talk to them. He could have said "I don't remember" but if you'll see the post a few down they had corroborating evidence in the form of conversations he couldn't have know of that discussed the same amount of money he claimed to have gotten from OM. Faking ignorance at that point would have cost him his eligibility.
So yes, once they came to him and particularly now that he's been called to appear before the COI he damned sure has to be there or he won't be playing NCAA sports.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:03 pm to Whereisomaha
quote:So do you deem his supposed statements credible or not?
Leo saying he took money from the school he ended up at is deemed incredible, but saying he took money from a school under investigation was deemed credible.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:03 pm to beaver
$650k? LMFAO! She may as well have "allegedly told Farrar" LSU offered $Eleventy Million. It sounds just as stupid.
No school is paying over half a million for a potential player.
There is no record of the "offer" and if such a stupid amount was ever brought up, it would have been by her asking for that amount to pay for her house and a car.
No school is paying over half a million for a potential player.
There is no record of the "offer" and if such a stupid amount was ever brought up, it would have been by her asking for that amount to pay for her house and a car.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:03 pm to SXV
I'm glad Alabama dropped him after the document. Was pissed at the time though.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:05 pm to NYCAuburn
i find it interesting,and suspicious that out of this situation with ole miss and moo state, and the cam newton situation, there is a common denominator in both cases...guess what that common denominator is?.....hint for updykes and corndogs:...it barks and rings a cowbell....very telling
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:06 pm to Whereisomaha
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Leo saying he took money from the school he ended up at is deemed incredible, but saying he took money from a school under investigation was deemed credible. If you people don't see whats wrong with then you are blinded by bias.
He probably did. The point is, the NCAA is after Ole Miss. They needed him to corroborate some stuff so they came to him. Of course they opened and shut the investigation right away. What else would you expect?
They are not saying he isn't credible. Just that they don't have any corroborating evidence. Because they didn't look for any.
Plus, I've heard our booster and coaches don't text each other with stuff like "Oh Noz! I done paid him $10k and I saw on a message board that he's committing to them dang Bayou Bengalz!!!! Bad invesment! SAD."
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:07 pm to burdhead
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find it interesting,and suspicious that out of this situation with ole miss and moo state, and the cam newton situation, there is a common denominator in both cases...guess what that common denominator is?.....hint for updykes and corndogs:...it barks and rings a cowbell....very telling
I bet you find lots of things intradasting. Like truck-nuts and the flavor purple
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:08 pm to Billy Mays
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quote: He is an Ole Miss homer who happens to be a writer therefore he is an Ole Miss writer. False. The OM "homers" don't really like him. He looks down on the faux rich country club atmosphere of Ole Miss bc he has the journalist smug sees himself as above the Ole Miss plebs. He also thought Hugh Freeze was an a-hole. He's not the Yancy Porter/Chuck Rousanville fan site journalist that you may have heard about. What school you graduated from doesn't have to define who are and what will be in the future. This concept may be foreign to you though...
He used to be like that, after he left OM. He was a homer (of course) while writing for the Daily Mississippian, then after he graduated he was like you described (I didn't know he didn't like Freeze).
Unlike most State fans, I liked Godfrey because he was funny. However, after he wrote the recent Moncrief article and this one it's obvious he's now shilling for OM. Weird, because it's not like him.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:09 pm to rebsfan10
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I don't think the point of the article is to say Miss State is getting in trouble. It's questioning how the NCAA can decide what he says against Ole Miss is credible and what he said about State is not. I'm biased towards Ole Miss, but I would think someone who is completely objective would have issues taking Lewis at his word about what Ole Miss gave him when the NCAA says the information given on State was not. Either he is credible on both accounts or he's not. I know this was written by an Ole Miss guy, so what I said above is only based on if the article was accurate in describing what Lewis told the NCAA and their actions.
Firstly, you have a very rational outlook on things and that should be commended.
The NCAA doesn't go entirely on the testimony of student athletes. What they do is find hard evidence and then get it corroborated by one of the parties involved. In many situations, the boosters involved are unwilling to be forthright and the NCAA has no control over that. They do however have control over the players as they can rule them ineligible.
In the Leo Lewis situation, they had evidence that he was paid by people associated with Ole Miss. They go to him and basically say "we know you were paid and will therefore be ineligible unless you come totally clean and fill in some of the gaps on this". Once he does this they have Ole Miss dead to rights.
When he admits to taking money from State, while it might be true and they may believe it to be true, they won't go entirely on his testimony. They need some hard evidence. It's possible that they never had any. It's even possible that they never really looked for any(which is hypocritical, but State also wasn't the target of a years long investigation).
People also need to understand that immunity is one of the very few ways the NCAA can get people to talk. If they give a player immunity for something and then nail the school based on his testimony, while perfectly within the NCAA rules, it undermines the immunity technique. Schools are going to be more reluctant to allow their players to cooperate going forward, and that eliminates a very useful tool the NCAA has
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:09 pm to jvilletiger25
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Remind me the last time Moo State was in trouble with the NCAA, and the last time Auburn was? On top of that, the only thing that came out with Cam was Moo State boosters and coaches offering money.
I'll hang up and listen.
This shite aGAIN?
Let's review the facts of that case: A handler for Cam reaches out to a state booster to tell him what it's going to cost to get Cam. The booster notifies MSU, who notifies the SEC, who does nothing about it. I love how you barners like to twist those facts into State boosters and coaches offering money. I should expect as much from a bunch of mouth breathing inbreds.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:13 pm to Whereisomaha
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Leo saying he took money from the school he ended up at is deemed incredible, but saying he took money from a school under investigation was deemed credible. If you people don't see whats wrong with then you are blinded by bias.
God you're dense.
Nobody took Lewis at his word. Page 85 of the NCAA's reply to OM's response to the NOA says
the message clearly shows *redacted* referencing his meeting *redacted* with that day and belief they had arranged terms securing *redacted* commitment to the institution. The message also shows expressing surprise and dismay in reading online that *redacted* was flirting with other schools and he likely had wasted $10,000.
The NCAA is in possession of a message between Barney and a booster that discusses both a meeting and the money.
That's what you call a smoking gun. The NCAA may well believe that Mississippi State paid him too, but absent corroborating evidence they aren't going to make a case about it.
If you're going to be mad and lash out at someone, lash out at your inept leaders and boosters that talk about payouts on electronic platforms that leave a footprint and be extra angry that Mississippi State's bagmen are light years ahead of the ones you've got in Oxford.
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:13 pm to Commander Data
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Commander Data
quote:The irony of this statement from a Gump is thick.
I am sorry but anyone that believes a word from the Ole Miss camp is either a homer rebel fan or stupid as frick
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:14 pm to UAtide11
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When he admits to taking money from State, while it might be true and they may believe it to be true, they won't go entirely on his testimony
They also have rules to follow.
MSU was not and is not under investigation. Therefore, any statement that LL or any other person made about MSU is irrelevant. Until a program gets served with the almighty Notice, then everything said about that program is inconsequential.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:18 pm to Drebin
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The booster notifies MSU, who notifies the SEC, who does nothing about it. I love how you barners like to twist those facts into State boosters and coaches offering money.
and your barking,cowbell ringing arse actually believes this shite? 
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:28 pm to Literalist
quote:ah what the frick. Have a like.
ewis received $21,000 before National Signing Day from 2 SEC schools
It's coming out that Leo had a standing offer of $76 from Kentucky, with more coming as soon as a prominent booster sells a few more of his hogs.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:33 pm to burdhead
And which school got sanctions related to Cam?
(Spoiler alert - NONE).
(Spoiler alert - NONE).
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:54 pm to PrisonMike
Your little brother is showing barner.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:55 pm to Commander Data
FWIW MSU was still on probation when Leo signed. Throwing that out there. 
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