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re: Looking deeper at wins over 'ranked' foes
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:11 pm to CNB
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:11 pm to CNB
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You keep saying that as if it's some huge accomplishment.
You want to go here? This means that USCe hasn't had a meaningful accomplishment in 20+ seasons of football in the SEC.
Its your call my friend.
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:21 pm to kilo
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Look, Im not flaming you or your school
I don't know why you can't just admit that you are. But then you'd probably lose that holier than thou delusion you cling to. quote:
If it were the institution that I supported I would ask the same question. It has to come up inside your South Carolina fan circles, no?
And what question is that? Why USC fails to deliver when the SECCG game is on the line? Because the only time we've been in that position, we've won. 2010 beat UF in the swamp.
If you want answers to the specific games we lost in 2011 and 2013 it was due to a drunk QB playing against Auburn and a lot of funky things happening in the UT game. Spurrier made some bad play calls toward the end after Shaw got hurt, but if you actually watched the game there were several plays in which the ball simply bounced UT's way so to speak, and they took advantage at the end.
There isn't some underlying reason why we haven't been to ATL the past 3 seasons.
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We have the same amount of SEC East titles as you do with that record. That should make YOU take pause, not the other way around.
Its really not that difficult to understand. Arkansas won the West in their 3rd year in the conference because the West was more open and the East was stacked. Those roles are reversed now, so its not surprising Mizzou got to ATL early
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Im not flaming you, sorry if the tough question has you flustered.
If asking why a team perennially "shits the bed" isn't flaming or trolling or whatever you want to call it, I'm not sure what isPosted on 5/14/14 at 11:23 pm to meansonny
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Was the loss to UGA last season a loss to a good team or to a bad team?
That's the part that the final rankings doesn't take into account.
I thought UGA finished ranked?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:24 pm to kilo
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This means that USCe hasn't had a meaningful accomplishment in 20+ seasons of football in the SEC.
We haven't. We've won the division once because the East was down. Same as Missouri. Also, 90's and early 2000 East =/= Present East.
We were a shite program before 2010. The fact that you're even trying to compare your team to ours is amazingly telling. Keep setting those goals high.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:27 pm to Cockopotamus
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I thought UGA finished ranked?
Not at 8-5.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:30 pm to meansonny
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Not at 8-5.
Oh ok. Forgot yall lost the bowl game. Guess I'm thinking of the final BCS standings.
Obviously UGA was a good team last year when we played, but its rare that a team suffers that many injuries and falls out of the rankings because of it
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:32 pm to Cockopotamus
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I don't know why you can't just admit that you are. But then you'd probably lose that holier than thou delusion you cling to.
You're wrong. You're an overly sensitive baby. Instead of just having a discussion you resort to this bullshite.
You dont think that asking the question of the OBC finishing out his great seasons is relevant? Guy can coach up his team but drops a game here or there that costs his teams a season.
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And what question is that? Why USC fails to deliver when the SECCG game is on the line?
No, the question is how can a man coach up his team to that great record against incredible competition and shite the bed at some point in his season against teams he should beat to, in essence, ruin his teams chances at post season glory.
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If you want answers to the specific games
No, I'm not looking for excuses for individual games. The OP brought forth a broad spectrum and I'm asking in the same vein.
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Its really not that difficult to understand. Arkansas won the West in their 3rd year in the conference because the West was more open and the East was stacked. Those roles are reversed now, so its not surprising Mizzou got to ATL early
Ok, why didnt South Carolina win the SEC East since it was so "Wide Open" instead of Mizzou?
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If asking why a team perennially "shits the bed" isn't flaming or trolling or whatever you want to call it, I'm not sure what is
Im sorry you cant get over your complexes to understand that I'm actually not flaming you or your team.
We Mizzou fans know all too well about "shitting the bed".
No troll. Honest questions brah. Stop being a pussy.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:33 pm to FearlessFreep
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I've never understood the rationale for the "ranked when we beat them" argument.
I can to some degree. It's certainly not a uniform theory.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:36 pm to Cockopotamus
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Oh ok. Forgot yall lost the bowl game. Guess I'm thinking of the final BCS standings.
Obviously UGA was a good team last year when we played, but its rare that a team suffers that many injuries and falls out of the rankings because of it
I'm pretty sure what you just said flies in the face of Chris Low's article.
His very first large paragraph talks about Florida being a top ranked team that finished 4-8. He ignores the team that started the season versus the injuries that they faced throughout.
Both premises are flawed (ranked at the time they play and ranked at season's end).
The best approach is to look at both and understand why they are different.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:39 pm to CNB
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We haven't. We've won the division once because the East was down. Same as Missouri. Also, 90's and early 2000 East =/= Present East.
We were a shite program before 2010. The fact that you're even trying to compare your team to ours is amazingly telling. Keep setting those goals high.
Fair enough. Im NOT trying to compare shite man. Cockapotimous started the flames.
Mizzou aint shite either in the big scheme.
Thought it was insetting that OBC was so successful against really good competition without the accolades that go along with a record like that.
Maybe you perceived that as a back handed compliment, that wasn't the intention.
I just wont post in South Carolina threads. Its fricking kind of sad that us old timers cant have a discussion with out this bullshite.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:47 pm to kilo
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You dont think that asking the question of the OBC finishing out his great seasons is relevant? Guy can coach up his team but drops a game here or there that costs his teams a season.
Its happened twice, so I don't think theres a trend or reason for concern. And UT is the only really really bad one. Although we definitely should have beat Auburn in 2011, they did still finish 8-5 which isn't terrible.
And considering we only had 1 double digit win season before 2011, it certainly hasn't "cost us a season". Finishing 11-2 and in the top 10 is certainly nothing to sneeze at, no matter the school.
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No, the question is how can a man coach up his team to that great record against incredible competition and shite the bed at some point in his season against teams he should beat to, in essence, ruin his teams chances at post season glory.
frick, I don't know. Maybe HBC hit the Coors too hard the night before thinking he had a cake walk the next day?
Like I said, there isn't an underlying trend. I provided some of the specifics for the Auburn and UT games. Some people like the throw in the UF game in 2012 because we played so poorly, and that was due to the physical toll of the LSU game the week before and a lot of the team was dealing with the flu leading up to and during the game.
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Ok, why didnt South Carolina win the SEC East since it was so "Wide Open" instead of Mizzou?
Because we lost to UT. Duh.
And I didn't say it was wide open, I said it was more open, meaning that there aren't teams entrenched at the top like there were in the 90s and 2000s with UF, UT and UGA.
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We Mizzou fans know all too well about "shitting the bed".
No kidding
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:49 pm to scrooster
Hey look, another "USC is awesome" post from scrooster.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
We are pretty awesome.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:52 pm to meansonny
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I'm pretty sure what you just said flies in the face of Chris Low's article.
His very first large paragraph talks about Florida being a top ranked team that finished 4-8. He ignores the team that started the season versus the injuries that they faced throughout.
Both premises are flawed (ranked at the time they play and ranked at season's end).
The best approach is to look at both and understand why they are different.
His point is that its more telling to look at who you beat that finished ranked instead of looking at the ranking of the team when you beat them, which is obviously true.
I was supporting that by saying its rare to seem teams like UGA start out as legit top 10 teams and fall out by the end of the year due to injury. It certainly doesn't "fly in the face of Low's article"
Again, he wasn't saying its the only way you should look at it, but that its the best, which is obviously true
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:53 pm to CNB
I know 
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:54 pm to kilo
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Im NOT trying to compare shite man
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We have the same amount of SEC East titles as you do with that record
Certainly seems like a comparison to me
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:56 pm to Cockopotamus
At some point we may have to take a breath and just admit we both had pretty good teams last year.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:56 pm to MIZ_COU
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At some point we may have to take a breath and just admit we both had pretty good teams last year.
This may be the single greatest post you've ever had.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:59 pm to scrooster
I always thought the final record/ranking of an opponent much more meaningful than at game time.
Posted on 5/15/14 at 12:00 am to scrooster
Oh look another thread that's turned into a Mizzou-USC fan pissing match, shocker.
Boss stat
If only we had beat Auburn in 2011 & UT last year though.
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South Carolina has the best record (12-3) against teams that finished the 2011-13 seasons ranked in either the Associated Press or USA Today coaches' polls.
Boss stat
If only we had beat Auburn in 2011 & UT last year though.
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