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re: Joel Klatt and Colin Cowherd list 14 coaches Alabama should call if Saban retires

Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:18 am to
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:18 am to
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No clue why you were downvoted.


I have a history here.

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I've heard this from other posters who claim to know Dabo.


It's fairly well known in circles around Birmingham from what I've been told.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:27 am to
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I've heard this from other posters who claim to know Dabo.

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It's fairly well known in circles around Birmingham from what I've been told.


Dabo has said "how could I NOT take it" when asked privately if he would take the job if offered. It has always been, and remains, his dream job and the place he'd like to finish out his career. He's 47 years old. If Saban stays another 5 years that will be long enough for Dabo's youngest son to finish HS and make the decision a no-brainer. At that point Dabo would be in his early 50's and could coach for a decade+.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:27 am to
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Dabo isn't coming.


Dabo will damn well come if we call and ask. His mother still lives in the Birmingham area, too.

I've seen the "mama calls" reference a couple times... but in this case, she literally might.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:51 am to
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I guess you missed where I said Chad Morris

who hired him? Do coaches not get credit for recruiting the good players and hiring the good coaches who help their team win? (you can make selective arguments on almost any coach - example: Gus without Cam, or w/out Prayer in Jordan Hare & Kick Six. he's had ONE good season as HC)


AU had a 20 point lead in the 4th Quarter in the Prayer in Jordan Hare and the Kick Six where AU had Bama sucking air heading into overtime without kick six.

Gus hired Ellis Johnson and it cost him a chance at two NCs, so a coach should get credit for his hires.

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he's 4-5 against them in his career as HC at Clemson, including winning the last 3 in a row. He seems to have turned the corner. (again, using your team as a comparison, Gus is 2-6 against his two biggest rivals, including 0-6 in the last 6 against them)


Dabo has won three in a row over a program that has been on a downward spiral the last three years. Prior to that an aging Spurrier had his number.

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What about being 2-0 against AU, beating LSU in the 2012 bowl game, beating Ohio St in the 2013 bowl game, beating Oklahoma (40-6) in the 2014 bowl game, beating Oklahoma in the 2015 playoffs, beating Ohio State (31-0) in the 2016 playoffs, and beating Bama for a national title in the 2016 playoffs? Do you think beating teams like that is impressive?


The two AU teams he beat were average at best. The fact that he has done well in the playoffs is a direct reflection of playing in the ACC. His players are more rested and injury free than teams from other conferences. Again, a two game regular season is easier to navigate. He loses at least two games last year with an SEC Schedule.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:01 am to
If Saban does't retire for another 5-10 years (which seems likely at this point) there may be a whole new crop of coaches out there by then. If Saban retired next year, Dabo is the 1st phone call without a doubt. But in 5-10 years Dabo may have established himself as a Clemson legend, or he may be trending downward. Coker, Chizik and Miles all proved winning a natty and then underperforming will still get you fired. Dabo has to prove he can sustain at the highest level, not just get there a year or two with a generational talent at QB and then drift back to the middle of the pack. If he can consistently get Clemson to the playoffs, he will get the offer IMO.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:22 am to
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AU had a 20 point lead in the 4th Quarter in the Prayer in Jordan Hare

and gave it up resulting in needing a 4th down prayer.

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and the Kick Six where AU had Bama sucking air heading into overtime without kick six.

Bama was tired, no doubt, and AU would have probably been a beating favorite had it gone to OT, but the Kick Six is a play that has happened ONCE (returning a missed FG to win a game) in CFB history. It's rare, bruh.

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Gus hired Ellis Johnson and it cost him a chance at two NCs, so a coach should get credit for his hires.

how two? Gus has had one good season at AU. How did Ellis cost him "two" NCs?

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Dabo has won three in a row over a program that has been on a downward spiral the last three years. Prior to that an aging Spurrier had his number.

OK. This is proof two people can look at the same situation and see two different things. You say it's only b/c USCe has been in a downward spiral. I say Dabo's recruiting has likely influenced that spiral (and his team's ascent)

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The two AU teams he beat were average at best.

How is that Dabo's fault? Your team is so infrequently anything other than average to slightly above average. You've had 2 good seasons in the past decade, 2 horrid seasons, and 6 average seasons. You guys haven't put together back-to-back 10+ win seasons since 1988 & 1989.

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The fact that he has done well in the playoffs is a direct reflection of playing in the ACC. His players are more rested and injury free than teams from other conferences.

every team has a long rest before playoffs. I'll give you that his team was more injury free in 2016 (Bama had 2 starters on D who were injured), but in 2015 Clemson had a starting WR (top 10 NFL draft pick) who was injured.

As for him being in the ACC, what conference did the team that beat you in title game in 2013 play in?

Don't let your hatred for the fact that the guy played at Bama and that we are talking about him coming to Bama blind you to reality. He's a top 5 coach right now.
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:25 am to
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Gus is 2-6 against his two biggest rivals, including 0-6 in the last 6 against them


Are you really trying to compare USCe to UGA and Bama? lol

And that's not exactly Auburn being at the top of our game the past few years, or USCe for that matter in the last few.

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2-0 against AU





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I hope so. I doubt you'll be as happy having to play him every year with a stocked roster and his ability to recruit


I hope so too. You're gonna have a rude awakening if so. No one ever has or ever will recruit like Saban at Bama, that includes Dumbo.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:43 am to
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Gus hired Ellis Johnson and it cost him a chance at two NCs, so a coach should get credit for his hires.

how two? Gus has had one good season at AU. How did Ellis cost him "two" NCs?



AU was ahead in the BCS game with less than 90 seconds left on the clock. EJs D gave up a 60 yard play on a 7
yard slant.



AU was 3rd in the Playoff poll before the Defense collapsed (started with the A&M Game) at the end of the year. Remember AUs Offense gained 630 yards on Saban/Smart, but still lost.


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As for him being in the ACC, what conference did the team that beat you in title game in 2013 play in?


Let them play an SEC Schedule and see if they make the playoff.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 11:46 am
Posted by Lebowski
Dallas
Member since Oct 2013
3544 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:53 am to
Following Saban is ideal. See Les Miles.
Posted by Guidge
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
556 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:54 am to
I'm unfortunately forced to be around Bama fans too often (actually typing this from a friends bathroom in Birmingham).

Y'all are *crazy* to think Dabo is gonna come to UA the moment they call. He's done big things in Clemson. If he can keep recruiting at a high level, he's going to build a dynasty there. He's got 1 or 2 teams to deal with in the ACC or he can come to the SEC where almost every team can recruit on a higher level and become a national contender within a year or two.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:07 pm to
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Y'all are *crazy* to think Dabo is gonna come to UA the moment they call. He's done big things in Clemson. If he can keep recruiting at a high level, he's going to build a dynasty there. He's got 1 or 2 teams to deal with in the ACC or he can come to the SEC where almost every team can recruit on a higher level and become a national contender within a year or two.


You should probably call Dabo and let him know that, as he's the one who has made such statements.

He's essentially from here, his mom lives 40 miles away, he played here, won a national championship here, coached here, and will return here if we want him. If he can build that at podunk Clemson, it should absolutely terrify you to think what he could do with the resources at Alabama.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21692 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:10 pm to
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Y'all are *crazy* to think Dabo is gonna come to UA the moment they call.


Oh, LSU fan is here again to inform how all things Bama will go.

I don't want Dabo, but you're crazy if you think Bama couldn't get him.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:24 pm to
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I'm unfortunately forced to be around Bama fans too often (actually typing this from a friends bathroom in Birmingham).

Y'all are *crazy* to think Dabo is gonna come to UA the moment they call. He's done big things in Clemson. If he can keep recruiting at a high level, he's going to build a dynasty there. He's got 1 or 2 teams to deal with in the ACC or he can come to the SEC where almost every team can recruit on a higher level and become a national contender within a year or two.


Dabo will jump at the first opportunity if they call. You have to understand his background and where he came from. I do think he will be totally out of his element and he would be right in the middle of a power struggle left by Saban's departure. He would be better served waiting for the next coach to fail and come back as the hometown hero. All you have to do is look at the struggles of Perkins and Curry before Stallings returned.
Posted by bamaphan13
Member since Jan 2011
992 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:10 pm to
Dabo's personality being a complete 180 from Saban may serve him well if he takes the job. He will have enough cache coming in so he won't get steam rolled as well.
Posted by bamaphan13
Member since Jan 2011
992 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:11 pm to
Regardless I don't envy anyone following Saban.
Posted by viceman
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2016
30688 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:18 pm to
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Regardless I don't envy anyone following Saban.


Well, maybe long term, but short term whoever follows Saban will have great athletes on campus when he arrives.
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